An Answer To My Critics

When America fought a war against Japan, every Japanese-American citizen in this country was shipped off to an "internment" (aka concentration) camp. Were they all enemies of the state? Of course not. We now realize (well, sort of, not really) that it was a terrible injustice, though we've never made reparations.

Today in the name of "9/11" we round up innocent Muslims from around the world, throw them into prison indefinitely, torture them, and murder them. Are all these Muslims "terrorists"? In the eyes of the powerful in our country -- and I emphasize again that they are not all of one religion -- yes, they are all potential terrorists, and they have less rights as human beings. But you and I recognize that that is racism and a grave injustice and abuse of human rights -- not to mention the outright slaughter of millions of innocents.

Let's say I accepted your premise that the world is controlled by a secret cabal -- which I don't. So what if it turned out that many, even most, of these "world bankers" were Jewish. (We know it can't possibly be all of them; you are quite correct that the Rockefellers are not Jewish, for example.) Would all the Jews in American then be rounded up when the great revolution comes and put into concentration camps, being enemies of the state?

I believe 100% that this is the logical conclusion of people like Kenny -- and you, who obsess over whether the "people in control" are Jewish or not. I'm not in the mood for being hurled into a concentration camp, thank you very much -- whether literally, or rhetorically when I show my face (so to speak) on someone's blog. For that reason, I can't continue this conversation with you, or with the jerks on WP.

Grow up. If you want to change the system, then fight the system. Stop looking for a category of people to scapegoat. Stop fighting invisible actors and fight the visible ones. God knows there's enough death and destruction being meted out by our government, right before our eyes, to mobilize against. Life is not the X-Files, and the Cigarette Smoking Man is not pulling the strings.

I have nothing to do with your "secret cabal." If there is a shitload of Jews doing evil stuff, it's because they're evil. But as long as people like you are hunting for Jews behind every door, you can be damn sure that I will not be spared when Judgment Day comes.

Which brings me to my conclusion, to put it as delicately as possible: Fuck Off.


Oh That's Real Nice

Hacking into my account to add the last line. Cute.

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Would all the Jews in

Would all the Jews in American then be rounded up when the great revolution comes and put into concentration camps, being enemies of the state?"

First you would have to define what the term "Jew" actually means. I know it's not a single nationality or ethnicity - I hear there are Jews from all over the world. Is it a religion? How could it be a religion if you don't practice nor even believe its tenets? So just what the heck is a "Jew"? I have Catholic ancestors, but that doesn't make me a Catholic. Why does the fact that you have Jewish ancestors make you a Jew? Why do you define yourself as Jew? Since you claim not to believe their hocus-pocus mumbo jumbo, would you be willing to stop self-identifying as Jew in order to distance yourself from what's being done by the Jewish state? Or are you too psychologically attached to the status of "victim" that your choice of self-identification confers?

If you define the term "Jew" to mean anyone who supports the racist policies of Israel, I am OK with locking those people up. So all you gotta do is renounce that shit and work against its harmful effects on the world including on your "people" (however you define them other than their choice to self-identify as "Jew") and you will be free and clear of my hypothetical, ain't-never-gonna-happen camps. You in (out)?

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All in the same bucket

This is ridiculous. For someone who is arguing against throwing all "the Jews" in the same bucket (or camp) you seem to have no problem throwing everyone here on this blog in the same anti-semetic, secret cabal believing, "hunting Jews behind every door" and hurling them into concentration camps bucket. All because of a link you object to on our blogroll.

And if you "can't continue having this conversation with us" (if you can call this a conversation) why are you still here?

"The most unpleasant truth in the long run is a far safer traveling companion than the most agreeable falsehood." Emerson

The Sally - Grimblebee Emails

Hello McJ

That post by Grimblebee was an email he sent to me. I sent an email to Grimblebee and we have been discussing the situation. It was me he told to F... Off which is fine. He hasn't mentioned me here but I feel
I must clarify where all this came from.
This seems to be a situation he cannot discuss without there being an implication that we want to throw all Jews in a camp which is pretty horrible and is a scenario that many of us fear may be our own fate.

I don't want to publish all our emails here that led up to this one and I'm feeling pretty sick this morning so I may just disapear.

Basically I agree with Grimblebee about the title of the article on Kenney Slideshow and that the article while taking an important look at Kagan could be construed because of the title in an antisemetic, anti feminist , anti lesbian light. Somebody here also used a phrase that I felt could be antisemetic. I should look it up but it was something like "spot the Jew". I don't remember who said that.

The title doesnt negate the rest of the article and the important implications for the whole world about who sits on the American supreme court etc and how they will affect that court and America.
I challanged Grimblebee that most Americans have lost contol of their own government and that the secrecy over what is happening plus seeing so many people who do have power over the US government are Jewish is bound to start people talking, wondering whats going on especially when there is no transparency left. Youve lost all power over your govrnment and one group seems to have a lot of power over the government, money etc. Grimblebee doesn't think there is any significance or merit in that point and that those that talk about that fact are antisemetic.
I have also told grimblebee that I don't know exactly whats happeing or who is behind it but that we need to find out whats going on as all our freedom is in danger from the elite which may or may not have a zionist agenda. We don't know exactly who is up to what but we are all in the midst of an attempt at a global takeover and that must take precidence over all our fears and make us all Jews and non Jews fight for our freedom and democracy.
Freedom and democracy for everyone including Jews is under threat as the Global elite move quietly towards a world totalitarian regime. Ive told grimblebee that we need to find out who exactly is behind this and he thinks that I am being antisemetic because of that.

This to Grimblebee somehow means all Jews being put in a concetration camp which Im sure we are all terrified might happen to us even if we are not Jewish .

As to the secret cabal thread here Grimblebee accused me of being a conspiracy theorist imagining secret Cabals etc. He thinks we are all conpiracy theorists and only belives the stuff about 911 not OWC.
He doesnt think there is a plot toward one world government so I sent him a little evidence and told him to look up Rockefellers confession which I have pasted in below from Rokefellers autobiography Memoirs which many of you may have read. To me there are strong signs that CFR and the international bankers are part of the attempt at OWC and World government. The solution is certainly not to put anyone in a concentration camp or treat anyone like a terrorist. Thats what I'm against. I'm for freedom for EVERYONE.

Heres David Rockefellers Autobiographical confession.
"For more than a century ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents such as my encounter with Castro to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as internationalists and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it."

--David Rockefeller, page 405 of the 2002 paperback edition of his book 'Memoirs'

The following is a quote from one of my emails to Gimblebee. Its a response to him implying that there
are no secret cabals plotting a world government.

"I don't know how much influence Jewish bankers have on whats happening but groups within the elite whoever they are, are behind this move to a World Government. I can send you some links if you like. Ron Paul says he thinks the writing will be on the wall by the end Obamas first term and that they are working on OWC through the IMF etc. Who own the private Banks that issue the worlds currency. If you know please tell me. Why do they keep their identities secret when they have such power. There is massive power in secret hands. The unknown owners of the US Federal reserve and the IMF etc make that obvious. Are they Jewish? It would help if we actually knew who they were. Then we would know one way or another."

I hope Grimblebee believes that I am not antisemetic. I will not just shut up about the end of a free world to prove that to him. All our freedom is important to me including yours Grimblebee. That includes all Muslims, all Jews, all women and all men.

Peace Light and Freedom for All

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Whats the difference?

"that must take precidence over all our fears and make us all Jews and non Jews fight for our freedom and democracy"
What I'd like to know is why must there be a distinction? "Jews and non Jews"
Who makes the distinction? Why must the distinction be made? Why can't they just be people like the rest of us? What makes them Jews? What about someone who converts to Judaism? Is all of that person's descendants henceforth Jews whether they choose to practice the religion or not? What if all the Palestinians agreed to convert to Judaism, could they keep return to their homes and participate in the government then? What makes a Jew a Jew? Is one required to think that they are magically better than the rest of us human beings? G-d's chosen people? Fuck that.

Good question, NJT, and

Good question, NJT, and astute observations, imnho.

I'm sure there are many good answers to this but the one that I see as central to it is the desire to be seen, at least in their own eyes if not others, as superior in some fundamental way.
Mind you, they are not alone in this, by any means. I was born into a Catholic family and was taught, amongst other things, that only Catholics were going to get into Heaven. So Catholics were "God's Chosen", too. Fundamentalist Christians are similarly deluded today. Hence the foam flecking arrogance.

All of them . . . all of them, miss the crucial point that Jesus Christ did not form a church or religion. He gave but two commandments; Love God with all your heart, And your neighbour as yourself. He was vehemently against having a priest class and anyone in between a person and God; and for very good reason, as is now all too apparent to anyone who cares to look sincerely.

It seems to me that all religions that I am in any way familiar with preach this same 'specialness' one way or another. Superiority automatically makes others inferior and, thence, open to exploitation. And then the madness begins. No wonder we have religious wars and religions as being a component in all wars that I can think of, covertly if not overtly.

I "resigned" (the term I used at the time) from being a Catholic at the age of 14. And very recently, I have "resigned" from being a Christian as I can no longer identify in any way with what these people do in the name of Christ. Everybody, including Jews are able to do the same thing any day they choose.

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Thank you James

Although I was raised Catholic, I've come to sincerely doubt that Jesus ever lived. Although I do like your Jesus a lot better than the one that helped get George W Bush elected.
He was vehemently against having a priest class and anyone in between a person and God;
I'm no scholar of the Bible but I'm curious where do you find this, is it in the Bible?

More good questions, NJT

Good to see someone keeping me honest smiling !

No scholars that I know of (admittedly not extensive) dispute that Jesus lived when he did and had a following as described. His life is recorded by Jewish and Roman historians, as well; none of whom would have had an obvious agenda for fabricating his existence; quite the opposite in the case of Jewish historians. The most well known historian is Josephus (a Jew employed by the Romans) and he even includes a physical description of Jesus including long hair. (I quoted this once to the consternation of a fundamentalist who was trying to bag me out for my long hair that I had at the time.)

C.S. Lewis, though not a biblical scholar, was a professor of Medieval History at both Oxford and Cambridge and very well versed in biblical matters as well, said once that there is far more evidence for the life of Jesus than any other historical figure by far and that his existence is beyond dispute.

As for Jesus being against priests, the best example would be the whole of Matthew ch23 where he pays out bigtime on the Pharisees to the crowd. If you read it aloud, you really get the power of his disgust for them. Little wonder they hated him with a passion. But the money quote is verses 8-13 (NKJV) therein-
8 But you, do not be called ‘Rabbi’; for One is your Teacher, the Christ,[b] and you are all brethren. 9 Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven. 10 And do not be called teachers; for One is your Teacher, the Christ. 11 But he who is greatest among you shall be your servant. 12 And whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted.
13 “But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you shut up the kingdom of heaven against men; for you neither go in yourselves, nor do you allow those who are entering to go in.

Matthew ch20:25-28 (NKJV) has Jesus telling his apostles how to behave -
25 But Jesus called them to Himself and said, “You know that the rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and those who are great exercise authority over them. 26 Yet it shall not be so among you; but whoever desires to become great among you, let him be your servant. 27 And whoever desires to be first among you, let him be your slave— 28 just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life a ransom for many.”

Just a tad different to what followed, especially after Constantine had his way with the church (pardon the euphemism!). It would seem that Jesus understood that 'power corrupts'!

In the Sermon on the Mount (Matthew ch5-7), Jesus gives the crowd the "Lords Prayer" (ch6:9-13). This is notable because he is teaching the people how to pray. Prior to this it was the office, duty and exclusive privilege of the priests to pray to God. Hence, the needed lesson for the people. This lends weight to ch23:13 above -
13 “But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you shut up the kingdom of heaven against men; for you neither go in yourselves, nor do you allow those who are entering to go in.

The terms 'bishop' and deacon' were unknown in the early copies of the New Testament scriptures and were introduced in the King James version for fairly obvious reasons; the church by then being an integral arm of the State (as Christianity was since Constantine and effectively is still).

This is a Jesus that George W. Bush would not recognise if he jumped up out of George's soup, right in front of him smiling

Thank you, Sally

Thank you Sally for going to the trouble of writing that all down for us. I know it would have been very tiring to do it. What you have said is exactly to the point; or rather, to many of the points that are involved here. Well said and well done. Thank you smiling

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Just to clarify Sally

Just to clarify Sally. You had an email exchange with Grimblebee. This blogpost (the one he has just posted) was actually a copy of an email that he had sent to you?
Do you know what part he is talking about in his comment where he is accusing someone of hacking the post?

"The most unpleasant truth in the long run is a far safer traveling companion than the most agreeable falsehood." Emerson


The last line of Grimblebee's email to me was

"Which brings me to my conclusion, to put it as delicately as possible: Fuck Off."

I think he's implying someone added all or a part of the text after that.

McJ - Exact Copy

Just about to have a cuppa tea to clear my head.

Yes the post was an exact copy of the last email Grimblebee sent me up to very polite "F....Off.

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Sally & I'm with all of you!

Thanks Sally for the explanation. I think you got it about right. And I'm with NJT and Debbieanne and especially this from James:
"There really is only one division that is useful to the well being of all peaceful people and that is the psychopaths (and I will include narcissists in this) verses the rest." Everything else is simply an attempt to divide and conquer us (the people of conscience) imho.

"The most unpleasant truth in the long run is a far safer traveling companion than the most agreeable falsehood." Emerson

I'm with NJT. What is a jew?

I'm with NJT. What is a jew? I'm confused by the anti-semite tag too. when ehtnically , the way I understand it, Palestinians are likely to be more semetic than most "jews". Oh well. Although I am not a fan of 'one world goverment'(rule by wealth) I am soooooo not a fan of nationalism. Much rather see my self as a member of the human race and citizen of the planet earth.

And I'm with you,

And I'm with you, Debbieanne. "Much rather see my self as a member of the human race and citizen of the planet earth."

There really is only one division that is useful to the well being of all peaceful people and that is the psychopaths (and I will include narcissists in this) verses the rest. And all that needs to be done is recognition of these sick people and isolating them in whatever way is appropriate and achievable by the rest of us.

Engaging them in any other way is more than a waste of time in the end.
And 'fess up' time - it was me that messed with Grimblebee's post. It was just too rich to resist as I saw his arrogance as a perfect reflection of the arrogance and delusion of the israelis in Palestine. I have now returned his post to it's former glory.

Feel the Power, written by a Jew for Jews

Grimblebee says: "Grow up. If you want to change the system, then fight the system."

Allrighty then!

Feel the Power, by Joseph Aaron, Jewish World Review, 7/20/09

I just can't help it.

This kind of thing gives me a big thrill. And a big chill.

It's not that often that you find the entire state of Jewish life today encapsulated in one place. So when you do, it's worth taking note of and learning from.

The place of which I speak is the October issue of Vanity Fair magazine. Vanity Fair is one of the most fascinating magazines around, one that every issue features an amazingly eclectic collection of articles, from the very serious to the completely frivolous.

Indeed, while the October issue features such stories as "How $9 billion in cash vanished in Iraq;" "Inside Bush's bunker;" "How the Media Gored Al Gore in 2000;" and more, the cover features Nicole Kidman wearing a sailor cap and opening her shirt to reveal her nautical necklace and her brassiere.
Vanity Fair is nothing if not on the cutting edge of where society is and is going. Vanity Fair is definitely not a Jewish publication.

And yet, in this one issue, it tells us more about the Jewish world as it is today than any lecture or book or class out there.

It does that in two ways.

The first is its annual list of what it calls The New Establishment, the 100 most powerful, most influential people in American society.

What is absolutely amazing, stunning about the list is how many Jews there are on it. Jews make up about 2.5 percent of the U.S. population so there should be two or three Jews on the list.

Guess again, bubeleh.The list of the Vanity Fair 100 includes, get ready, 51, yes 51 Jews.


I say 51 because that's how many I'm sure are Jewish. There may be others on the list who are Jewish but who I don't know are Jewish and whose names are not obviously Jewish.

But let's say I got them all. That means that more than half the names on the list of the 100 people who are the most vital to this society are Jewish. And this is a list that includes Apple's Steve Jobs and Oprah and Bill Clinton and Warren Buffett, to name a few of the few non-Jews on the list.

That is absolutely nothing short of astounding.

Talk about us being accepted into this society, talk about us having power in this society, talk about anti-Semitism being a thing of the past, talk about Jews no longer needing to be afraid to be visible and influential.

And it doesn't stop there.

The magazine also has a separate list of what it calls The Next Establishment, younger people it believes destined to make the big list some year soon.

Of the 26 names on that list, 15 are Jews. That I'm sure of. 15 of 26. More than half.

And it doesn't stop there.

The magazine also has a separate list of what it calls The Pit-Stop Club, those who have made The New Establishment list in the past but who didn't make it this year but are fairly certain to make a comeback in a future year.

Of the nine names on this list, eight are Jews. Eight out of nine. Don Imus is the only non-Jew on the list.

I mean, it's just unbelievable.

This is a big country with lots and lots of very talented, highly educated, tremendously motivated people. And no one has its finger on the pulse of the people who make this country what it is more than Vanity Fair.

And when it came time to pick the 100 who most move and shake things in America, more than half-more than half-are Jews. And on the list of those who will one day be on that list, more than half-more than half-are Jews. Not to mention that almost 100 percent of those who were on the list and are poised to make a comeback are Jews.

Tells you so much about the place of Jews in this country, about the amazing people Jews are.

That's something we should never take for granted, something we should always be blown away by, feel very, very good about.

Instead, however, the Jewish world is so much about kvetching and worrying.

When will we learn to fight fights that matter. When will we learn not everything needs to be made a big deal of. Not everything we don't like is a threat, indeed some of the things we don't like only become a nuisance because we make a big deal out of it.

We are powerful, very powerful. We play a major, pivotal role in the life of this country. And yet we are always acting like scared little mice on the verge of annihilation.


Are you sure ...

Are you sure this isn't more anti-semitic invective?

Maybe we should delete it?
Maybe we should ban you for posting it?
Maybe we should stop linking to your site?
Maybe we should hunt down and destroy anyone who has actually read this article?
... That would stop the anti-semitic invective from spreading, you understand ...

aw shucks ... it was just an idea ... on second thought, let's leave it


And maybe .....

maybe there is no secret cabal,
maybe it's all open to see,
maybe it is all psychosis and paranoia,
and maybe we should all do psychoanalysis . . . .

or maybe it is simply the truth.

the simple truth that no one escapes from.

the staring us in the face truth.

the truth recognised by its fruits.

Contra Vanity Fair


Enjoyed your Vanity Fair piece above and I post the following that I thinks sums up mine ( and others )
approach to living pretty well. It was written by Eric Thompson over a years ago. There are
many articles by Eric at this website - some of the racial tone may not be to everyone's tastes - but we're
all big boys and girls so dig around.

"As you observe, I have done my best to see the world through your eyes, and now, I invite you to see things through mine, the eyes of an Aryan. My view of the universe is quite congenial. If the universe were hostile, I would not exist, nor would you. I do not combat Nature. I am sustained by Nature, as you are, even when you claim to 'conquer' Her. I am at home on this planet. My fellow creatures all have their roles in the scheme of things. I do not fear or loathe other life forms. I respect then as teachers and I appreciate their beauty and their virtue. I am no more ashamed of being a predator, a meat-eater, than they are. In human conflict I am always prepared to win, lose or draw. All my opponents I consider 'worthy' in their own right, regardless of the weapons and tactics they choose to use against me. In struggles with opponents I neither forgive, nor do I bear grudges, for neither are relevant to me when the question is one of survival. For me, death is natural and inevitable, sooner or later. This awareness enhances the value of my life and makes the moments precious. I am therefore reluctant to spend my limited time in the pursuit of material possessions,including money. I seek quality instead of quantity, and I admit my inability to put a price on a sunset or a birdsong in the morning. I am stirred by the swells of the sea, and the wind in my face, as it makes the pines whisper, for such things remind me of my connection with the universe. They fill me with energy, inspiration and strength, as well as peace of mind. I am revolted by the bleating sheeple in the Christian fart-halls, as I am by the wailing and haggling in the synagogues. I enjoy others' company, as well as my own, just an I appreciate conversation and silent contemplation. I do not wish to insult nor demean those with whom I share differences of opinion. Rather, I seek to inform and to be informed. Everyone has something to teach not regardless of his wealth or lack thereof, and regardless of his academic achievements. I am not interested in ruling others, unless it is absolutely necessary, and I have no wish to ruin anybody, for ruin is usually brought upon oneself, without my assistance. I despise confidence tricksters, in comparison to armed robbers, who steal the victim's money, but not his trust. I believe that duty is sacred and that the desire for 'something for nothing' is both immoral and foolish. If I trip on the stairs, I know the fault was mine, and not the 'malevolence' of the universe. I care nothing for your 'god', nor for your ways. I do not wish to take over your rackets, nor do I wish to be victimized by them. I do not intend to play sadist to your masochist, nor vice versa.

For just one moment, imagine that you are not nearly so inferior, nor as important as you have been indoctrinated into thinking. In this moment, your paranoia will subside. Without prejudice, examine the many rules and tenets of Judaism, and you will recognize them as manifestations of compulsion neuroses. Dr. A. F. Stein described Judaism as "a group fantasy", which would apply to any people's religion. Fantasy is derived from dreams. That makes it incumbent upon all of us to "dream better dreams", in the words of Mark Twain. I sincerely hope you get well, soon. Mazel tov!"


thanks Dave

There's a lot of wisdom in that as a foil to the Vanity Fair piece. It's pretty detached, which in general is a good approach, although having studied some of the contemplatives I'm no longer convinced that it's necessary or even appropriate to strive for perfect detachment, but that's a whole other pail of worms. The thing is not to be ruled by our attachments, so it's a matter of balance.

Anyway I totally agree with defending ourselves and our loved ones, and surviving, without crossing over into gratuitous predatory behavior. That is the distinction. It's the gratuitous predatory behavior which galls. To wit:

This is a big country with lots and lots of very talented, highly educated, tremendously motivated people. ..And when it came time to pick the 100 who most move and shake things in America, more than half-more than half-are Jews.

Exactly. Isn't Jewish bragging the greatest? Hoist by one's own petard.

That was quite amazing,

That was quite amazing, thanks Dave.

War On Terror

I don't know why I haven't seen this before but I think I finally get the "War On Terror" (or part of it). This is in part a war of Israel against Muslims and they are enacting it through their American power base.
I might not have time to come back in today but I just had to say that. How I managed to avoid that conclusion in the past is not clear.

Military Bases

The war on terror = Military bases in Iraq and Afghanistan for the security of Israel. Would the majority of Americans support these wars for the security of Israel. Not likely so we now have the war on terror.


Exactly right, Sally.

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