Jihadists Use Kidnapped Children In Faked Videos

The children seen in the videos supposedly showing chemical attack victims in East Ghouta (Damascus), were kidnapped from the Latakia province (which is over two hundred kilometres away) two weeks previously by the paid jihadists of Saudi Arabia.


Reports on this have been circulating around the internet for sometime including those from Voltairenet and Russia Today (listen carefully from 2:55 onwards) claiming the child victims had been kidnapped previously as seen above. But no one has provided a source for the story. We have refrained from publishing anything about it here at Winter Patriot Community until we could establish a source for this information. We now have that elusive source. Below are two quotes from a report of a Carmelite nun, Mother Agnes Mariam de la croix (some details of her here) . We believe this report has been furnished to the UN and was originally written in French. The translation accounts for some of the unusual phrasing.

From the Introduction of the report - (emphasis added except for the last four words of the second quote which are in the original)

"We found that as a whole, the videos present a clear absence of normal Syrian family life, with no signs of the presence of the resident civilian population. While the proliferation of young males and children everywhere, dead or alive, let us wonder who they are and what they are doing in East Ghouta without their families.
Our first concern was the fate of the children we see in the footages. Those angels are always alone in the hands of adult young males that seem to be elements of armed gangs. The children they trespassed remained without their families and unidentified all the way until they are wrapped in the white shrouds of the burial. Moreover, our study highlight without any doubt their little bodies were manipulated and disposed with theatrical arrangements to figure in the screening.
Thus we accuse the editors of the videos of artificial scenic treatment of what should have been honest information footage. The cynic manipulation of the little inanimate bodies, that seem to be under anaesthesia, endangered the life of the children and raises in our minds the question of their safety and the real reason of their death. . . . . "

From the Conclusion of this same report-

"Studying the videotaped documentations available on line, from the point of view of the structure of the Syrian society, we find that the civilian population in East Ghouta as presented in those videos is inconsistent with the composition of a real Syrian civilian society. There is a flagrant lack of real Syrian families in East Ghouta, as presented by the videos. So with the terrible sense of the existence of a horrible crime we ask: Who are the children who are exposed in those videos?
From where do they come? Where are their parents? How did they get killed? Where are their corpses buried?
We think that with the evidences of media manipulation that are shown in this Study, and other studies, there is a moral obligation to launch an International investigation and arrest Warrant under the yellow and black notice to find and identify the Syrian children bodies used in a criminal way in the so called Chemical Attacks of East Ghouta .
On the other hand, we are in close contact with the survivors of the horrendous massacres perpetrated on the 4th of August 2013 by Jobhat El Nosra and allies in eleven villages from Lattakiah mountains. As Reconciliation Committee we are trying to liberate more than 150 women and children, abducted under the pretext to exchange them for detainees. We have been contacted by the families of some abducted women and children. They recognise their relatives in the videos published online that show the alleged victims of the Chemical Attack in East Ghouta.
Some families have filed a complaint to the Syrian authorities in Syria. They need to be heard on an international level. We need to help raise International Awareness toward the humanitarian case of the criminal use of children in the East Ghouta Chemical Attack. Will you join us?"

This is the best source we can have. Mother Agnes, mother superior of the monastery of James the Mutilated in Qara (Syria), is a highly credible source and she is citing family members who are known to her who have made positive identifications.

What does this all mean?
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First of all, some of the children in the videos have been identified as coming from Latakia region. We know the kidnapped children are in the hands of the jihadists. They made a video of the captured women and children to prove it. Therefore the young men of military age seen in the videos 'attending' the children are either jihadists or supporting them (same thing). They are obviously lying when they say that the children are from Ghouta. Apart from them being from Latakia, East Ghouta, the site of the attacks has been largely depopulated after months of fighting there. Children would have been the first to be evacuated. There would not have been large numbers of children living in East Ghouta. They must have been brought in from elsewhere by the terrorists. This also explains the absence of the children's parents, if we needed another explanation.

The paid jihadists are also lying when they say these children are the subjects of Sarin gas poisoning. If they were, then they would not be displaying the heavily tranquillised behaviour we see in some of the videos. We would be seeing yellow foaming from their mouths and they would be dead. And so would the people handling them. These jihadists have no more protection than cotton masks which would be insufficient to protect them from sarin poisoning and death themselves.

We now know, courtesy of the just released UN report into the Ghouta chemical attack, that the attack involved sarin gas. Therefore these videos were not part of, or a result of, that sarin gas attack at East Ghouta. They were made quite separately from the sarin gas attack. The videos were uploaded to youtube immediately after the chemical attack showing that they were made in advance with prior knowledge of the Sarin attack to come. Mother Agnes points out in her report how it would have been impossible to arrange the children and make the videos in the time available, in any case.

If the paid jihadists of the governments of Saudi Arabia and NATO members knew of the chemical attack in advance, it is inescapable that they were a party to it if not the principal perpetrators.

So, where did these perpetrators get the sarin gas (or the ingredients) and the knowledge of how to use them? Govts who research, make and store chemical weapons are the ones with the expertise. The only governments that would provide this material and expertise are the governments that are financially and logistically supporting the terrorists. Saudi Arabia, israel, US, Britain, France or perhaps even Turkey. Take your pick!

Indeed there is a video on youtube of a father complaining that his son, a jihadist, died from an explosion of a chemical weapon provided by Saudi Arabia. He blamed the Saudis because they just left the canisters with the jihadists without explaining how they should be handled.

(Skip the first minute if cannot stand watching Kerry lying. For the time pressed see particularly from 4:00 onwards)

The jihadist terrorists are totally dependent (apart from what they can steal) on NATO and Friends (such as Saudi Arabia) for everything from money to ammunition and weapons to logistics and intelligence (sic). They cannot cook up and carry out an operation like the gassing at East Ghouta without the approval, support and direction of NATO or more specifically, the US.

Looked at from another angle, given that the Saudis supplied these chemical weapons to the jihadists in East Ghouta, it is reasonable to believe that the CIA would know about it. They would have had to have known because this is actually their war. This is what they do and why they exist. This is what they did in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Saudi Arabia is also entirely dependent on US militarily and financially. And, after all, the entire purpose of the chemical attack and the pre-made videos was to provide the excuse for the military intervention of the US.

The children portrayed in the jihadist's pre-made videos were in fact prisoners from another province and were not killed by Sarin gas (though it is inescapable that they were killed while in the custody of the jihadists i.e. the children were killed by the jihadists). The US would know this is a false portrayal because it is an integral and vital part of the operation to provide the cassus belli for bombing Syria. The Saudis are not going to go to all this trouble to provide the excuse the US needs unless it has been prearranged and the US knowledge and approval. This is because to justify the risk, it has to be preordained that the US will follow through. And they did propaganda-wise and very quickly at that.

It is axiomatic that immediately after a terrorist attack, if the 'culprits' and methods are announced by a govt or state body before there could be any reasonable investigation, then these finger-pointing governments are, in fact, the perpetrators.

Another reason the CIA would know the truth of what happened at East Ghouta and what happened to the children is based on their own reports. Because they have built their case for war on youtube videos which contain so many contradictions and anomalies that the CIA cannot be credible in any way and point directly to them hiding the truth. If they are deliberately hiding the truth, then they must know the truth.

Mother Agnes's report takes 13 of these same videos and takes them apart using observation and logic. There is no way the CIA can plead ignorance of these multiple problems. Its their job, after all, their raison d'etre, not to be fooled by fakery. With all the CIA's resources, training and skills, it becomes impossible for them to escape the charge of promoting false evidence as a case for war.

It then becomes obvious that the CIA has another agenda. They have been party to cold-bloodedly abducting and killing children (while filming this atrocity!) for the sole purpose of destroying Syria just as they have destroyed, Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya. You can't repeat the same thing over and over while wringing your hands over the appalling consequences and not change your behaviour unless the outcome is, in fact, the desired outcome. "By their deeds you shall know them"

It becomes inescapable then that the outcome the US and its controller, israel, want is the complete destruction of these countries and the destruction of others such as Iran, whom they never tire of threatening.

So, if the CIA knows why wouldn't Obama know? If Obama does not know it can only be through wilful ignorance because the reasoning he is using together with the recent history of all the armed interventions in the Middle East does not make any sense at all. It is the same type of looney reasoning that has destroyed country after country. And now Obama wants to bomb Syria and, unavoidably, kill more innocent women and children in the process to 'punish' Assad because he says Assad killed innocent women and children?!? No, that is not the reasoning of a sane human being. That's the reasoning of a psychopath.

And of course, it only gets worse if he does know the details of this truly diabolical operation using the lives of totally innocent little children in such a cynical way. Using them to bring destruction down on the heads of an innocent population who have already suffered so much at the hands of NATO and Friends. That is evil.

This whole exercise, indeed the last two and a half years of violence towards the Syrian people from the start (written in April 2011), displays a complete lack of shame, principles, compassion, guilt or any human feeling at all. We are watching, listening to lying demons intent on destruction.

The report of Mother Agnes Mariam de la Croix is available here in two parts.


They are entitled ISTEAMS-report-Ghouta2a and 2b and well worth reading through. The lies of everybody pushing for war in Syria become very obvious.

The above link has proved problematical at times.
Voltaire net now has a summary of some of the points in Mother Agnes' report and a link to a dropbox to download that report here.

See also -
"Russia says the United Nations Human Rights Council (HRC) has confirmed that the videos and photos purporting to show the victims of a chemical attack near the Syrian capital, Damascus, were fabricated. "!

Many thanks to McJ for links, info and analysis.


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Great job

Great job of putting all this information together James. And thanks for the acknowledgement.

I have been dismayed at the seeming lack of interest in this explosive (albeit horrrifying) story. Although, a few sites have begun picking up on it so we can hope it will gain some momentum. Of course most everyone, including the alternative news sites are now off chasing the details of the latest domestic false flag - how convenient!

Gordon Duff has this article up at Veteran's Today.

"Reports, with limited confirmation, detail how Al Nusra/Al Qaeda forces inside Syria had kidnapped children from occupied regions to use as “victims” of a staged false-flag attack meant to bring the US into the Syrian conflict.

Children were said to have been smothered and laid out to be photographed and filmed with video cameras. The scene was said to resemble the “Crisis Actor” operations the US Department of Homeland Security has staged, simulating terror attacks for training purposes.

By coincidence, these theatrical contracting firms have been on the scene of several real disasters, the Boston Marathon bombing, the Sandy Hook shootings and most infamously, the 7/7 London bomb attacks.

If these allegations are true, particularly this being the 12th anniversary of 9/11, an event no longer questioned by any rational individual as itself being a carefully orchestrated false-flag attack, the idea of murdering children for “political expedience” is totally plausible.

Competing intelligence operations?

There is mounting evidence that Syrian rebels were responsible for the August 2013 attacks:

· hacked emails citing US contracting firms in the planning and execution
· investigative journalists in Georgia
· Press TV reports from Turkey detailing WMD transit into Syria
· Turkey’s seizure of Sarin shipments to Al Nusra
· Statements made to FBI by Eric Haroon which led to his arrest, silence and press smears
· the arrest of a Turkish general in Aleppo two days ago
· videos of rebels using Sarin gas
· videos of rebel leaders admitting to the use of chemical weapons
· along with witness testimony and physical evidence submitted by Russia
Iran’s warnings to the US from March, outlining Sarin smuggling into Syria
A far better case can be made to support Russia’s position than that of the Obama White House."

"coincidence" my ass

Gordon Duff can stuff that one. Pardon my English.

Otherwise I agree with McJ: this is another very excellent post.

'Coincidence theory'?

Thanks again, McJ and WP smiling
Yeah, Gordon Duff's article would have been better served if he put 'coincidence' in inverted commas as you did, WP, as it ain't no coincidence, that's for sure.

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Global research article on Mother Agnes' report

Look With Your Own Eyes: The Videos of the Chemical Attacks in Syria Show Tampered Scenes


"Key findings are:

(1)  Most the footage is of children.

(2)  There is almost a total absence of adult corpses next to the bodies of the children

(3)  There is almost a total absence of parents, especially mothers, coming to claim the bodies of the dead children.

(4)  There is virtually an absence of the sound of ambulances in the background of the videos.

(5)  The testimonies being used against the Syrian government include those of individuals claiming to have smelled the chemical that was used whereas sarin is an odorless gas.

(6)  The testimonies that most the victims were found in their homes are at odds with the claims by the same people that most the victims could not be identified.

(7)  The same footage is used for videos with different scenarios.

[8)  There is different footage that proves that the bodies were being arranged and moved around for display and specifically for filming.

(9)  The same couple appears as parents looking for their children in two different videos and each time they claim a different child as theirs among the corpses.

(10) The same groups that have been involved with posting and disseminating the videos that the US Intelligence Community has selected have also tried to pass pictures of Egyptian civilians killed in Cairo’s Rabaa Al-Adawiya Square as Syrian victims.

(11) Children that are still breathing in Zamalka are just filmed and left alone without medical treatment.

(12) In one video, where it is stated that all the bodies are those of the dead, it can bee seen that some of the corpses are being injected by syringes with an unknown liquid from.

(13) There is no knowledge or evidence that public funerals took place for the large number of victims that surpasses 1,460 people.

(14) In breach of all cultural norms and last rites, no public announcements about the dead or their funerals were made.

(15) There is no more than 500 people in all the videos, even when all the bodies that appear in different videos are added to the count.

(16) In two videos of the same location with a difference of about one hour and forty minutes the entire medical teams changes in the middle of an emergency.

(17) The identities of the dead have largely been left unknown; especially by the anti-government groups archiving and disseminating their pictures; for example we see the body of a little boy in a red shirt that was filmed in Zamalka and then in filmed again among different bodies in Jobar and the inanimate bodies of at least nine of the children that filmed in Kafarbatna also oddly appear at makeshift morgue in Al-Majr a few hours later.

(18) In the footage of one burial only eight people are buried and three of them are not even covered in the “compulsory” ritual shrouds.

As a result these questions emerge:

(1)  Why such a high rate of dead children?

(2)  Why are the bodies of children being displayed with a virtual absence of adult corpses?

(3)  When adult corpses are seen, why are the unusually segregated?

(4)  Where were the parents?

(5)  If the parents died with their children, why are the bodies of adults virtually absence, especially with the bodies of the children?

(6)  If the parents were not killed, then where are they? Why are they not looking for their children?

(7)  According to the cultural norms and gender scripts of Syrian society, children are almost always found with their mothers. So why is there a relative absence of women and specifically mothers in the US Intelligence Community’s nominated videos?

[8) How was it possible that all these children died alone?

(9)  There was virtually no outdoor movement in East Ghouda after the attack. How were all the bodies transported to the burial sites without anyone noticing?

(10)  What was being injected into the dead bodies? Do you need to give medication to corpses at a makeshift morgue?"

death, destruction, and taxes

This is it. This is the system doing what it does.

You work and work and work, trying to provide a decent life for yourself and your family, and of all the money you earn, the government takes whatever percentage it decides to take -- you have no say in that -- and this is what it does with it. You have no say in this, either. Congratulations, America!

Over the years, the US government has spent trillions of dollars on "interventions" that have killed millions of innocent people and brutalized millions of other equally innocent people. And who do you think has paid the bill? I've give you a hint: it wasn't the big corporations. And it wasn't your so-called "elected representatives."

And over the years the mechanisms, and the pretexts, and the lies, have grown bolder and brasher and more cruel. This is the state of the evil art: Arm, fund and motivate terrorists, who destroy villages, kidnap the children, take them away and kill them, then use their bodies to create a false "explanation" of some other event, the purpose of which is to try to justify another "escalation" which could only cost more and kill more and brutalize more ... and who do you think will pay the bill?

It's not gonna be your so-called "elected representatives." It ain't their money and it ain't their blood. The people who are paying the bill and the people who are being killed and brutalized are all the same according to their calculation: zeroes. You don't count. You don't matter. Welcome to democracy.

So here's my question: How long are you going to let the fruits of your labor be spent on bringing death and destruction to innocent people?

I agree

I agree with McJ. An excellent comment WP. Very poignant summary of the situation we are all faced with.
I have been pondering your question today, as I have many times before with still the same result. It will go on until enough people realise that they don't have a democracy, never mind a republic: that they don't have choice in the manner they think they have; that the operating manuals for governments and their agencies, for corporations and for religions are all pretty much the same and have been composed and are enforced by psychopaths; that these psychopaths are fundamentally and irretrievably different from the rest of us and that they are intent on harming us and exploiting us to the maximum including killing us if there is a dollar in it for them.

The question then becomes, 'How do we bring this change about?' I don't know. But I do know that there is an increasing awareness of this problem and that, while the evil ones are ramping up their violence, it is in response to this increasing awareness and resistance world-wide.

Meanwhile, for any readers out there that regularly watch teevee, do yourself and your family a favour and throw the damned thing out. You will not realise how much it controls your life and thinking until you have experienced life without it - life without the incessant mind control. The mind control that is so necessary for the psychopaths to remain in power. But again, you can't see this until it is not there. Like not hearing the ever present background din until it stops.

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Excellent comment Winter

"This is it. This is the system doing what it does."

Indeed it is, Winter. Well said and so true. After all the years of reading, researching and knowing how the evil ones practice and get away with their evil arts, I am still finding myself a bit dumbfounded at the apathy and lack of interest (and analysis) shown in this story by the alternate news, social networking and bloggers. I wish I had an answer for your question but I don't know what it is that will finally motivate the American people to take action. I mean, how much more horrifying can it get than this? 

Just over 41 years ago the world was shocked by the powerful image of then 9 year old Vietnamese girl, Kim Phuc, running naked down a road after being burned by napalm. The other day I followed a link to a picture of a young Christian Syrian girl, perhaps 8 or 9 years old, dressed in a beautiful little, frilly dress and white leggings, who had been beheaded by the rebels. Would it wake America up if that picture were to be featured on the cover of mainstream publications so they could see the absolute horror of what their tax dollars are paying for? I'd like to think so but I don't know any more.

increasing violence

It's appalling, McJ. It's beyond appalling but I don't have the words. I believe it is going to get worse until it forces everyone to make a choice within themselves. A choice which is really between themselves and God. A choice that will determine their spiritual future.

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Sooner or later

God'll cut you down.

(I can't embed this video here because it doesn't give the old embed code. You can watch at the link)

Johnny Cash - God's gonna cut you down

And here is a cover of the song that I found.

You can run on for a long time
Run on for a long time, run on for a long time
Sooner or later God'll cut you down
Sooner or later God'll cut you down

Go tell that long tongue liar, go and tell that midnight rider
Tell the rambler, the gambler, the back biter
Tell 'em that God's gonna cut 'em down
Tell 'em that God's gonna cut 'em down

Well, my goodness gracious let me tell you the news
My head's been wet with the midnight dew
I've been down on bended knee
Talkin' to the man from Galilee

He spoke to me in the voice so sweet
I thought, I heard the shuffle of the angel's feet
He called my name and my heart stood still
When he said, "John, go do my will"

Go tell that long tongue liar, go and tell that midnight rider
Tell the rambler, the gambler, the back biter
Tell 'em that God's gonna cut 'em down
Tell 'em that God's gonna cut 'em down

You can run on for a long time
Run on for a long time, run on for a long time
Sooner or later God'll cut you down
Sooner or later God'll cut you down

Well, you may throw your rock and hide your hand
Workin' in the dark against your fellow man
But as sure as God made black and white
What's down in the dark will be brought to the light

You can run on for a long time
Run on for a long time, run on for a long time
Sooner or later God'll cut you down
Sooner or later God'll cut you down

Go tell that long tongue liar, go and tell that midnight rider
Tell the rambler, the gambler, the back biter
Tell 'em that God's gonna cut you down
Tell 'em that God's gonna cut you down
Tell 'em that God's gonna cut you down


Great videos, McJ. Thanks

Great videos, McJ. Thanks smiling

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'One nun puts entire US intel community to shame over 'stage-managed' Syria footage'


"The US intelligence community has been put to shame by the dedication and determination of a lone Christian nun. Her modest study of the videos of the Syrian chemical attack shows they were productions involving staged bodies.

Those who take the time to read the report by Mother Agnes and the International Support Team for Mussalaha in Syria (ISTEAMS) will realize that it disgraces the entire US intelligence community for endorsing video footage that is clearly dubious and not credible upon careful study by even a layperson.  [...]

A horrible conclusion 
Many bad things have happened in Syria, including the chemical attack in East Ghouta. Yet there many questions that have to be answered. 

There was a massacre in Latakia on August 4, 2013 that went unreported. The mainstream media in the US and the countries allied to it failed to cover this or casually pass it over, obviously because it was inconvenient to change the agenda in Syria.

The study mentions that the relatives of children that were abducted by the US-supported insurgents have begun to come forward to identify their relatives in the videos. It paints an ominous picture that the bodies of these children were prostituted to open the field in Syria for a foreign military intervention.

Regardless of whatever position one takes on Syria, it is their responsibility to analyze the videos from the alleged chemical attack and pay attention to observations of Mother Agnes Mariam’s report."

Great to see this getting

Great to see this getting more coverage.

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Rouhani's editorial in Washington Post

I wonder if John, Bomb Bomb Iran, McCain will be writing an editorial rebuttal for Press News now?

Iranian President Rouhani's editorial in the Washington Post:

"The world has changed. International politics is no longer a zero-sum game but a multi-dimensional arena where cooperation and competition often occur simultaneously. Gone is the age of blood feuds. World leaders are expected to lead in turning threats into opportunities.

The international community faces many challenges in this new world — terrorism, extremism, foreign military interference, drug trafficking, cybercrime and cultural encroachment — all within a framework that has emphasized hard power and the use of brute force.

We must pay attention to the complexities of the issues at hand to solve them. Enter my definition of constructive engagement. In a world where global politics is no longer a zero-sum game, it is — or should be — counterintuitive to pursue one’s interests without considering the interests of others. A constructive approach to diplomacy doesn’t mean relinquishing one’s rights. It means engaging with one’s counterparts, on the basis of equal footing and mutual respect, to address shared concerns and achieve shared objectives. In other words, win-win outcomes are not just favorable but also achievable. A zero-sum, Cold War mentality leads to everyone’s loss.

Sadly, unilateralism often continues to overshadow constructive approaches. Security is pursued at the expense of the insecurity of others, with disastrous consequences. More than a decade and two wars after 9/11, al-Qaeda and other militant extremists continue to wreak havoc. Syria, a jewel of civilization, has become the scene of heartbreaking violence, including chemical weapons attacks, which we strongly condemn. In Iraq, 10 years after the American-led invasion, dozens still lose their lives to violence every day. Afghanistan endures similar, endemic bloodshed.

The unilateral approach, which glorifies brute force and breeds violence, is clearly incapable of solving issues we all face, such as terrorism and extremism. I say all because nobody is immune to extremist-fueled violence, even though it might rage thousands of miles away. Americans woke up to this reality 12 years ago.

My approach to foreign policy seeks to resolve these issues by addressing their underlying causes. We must work together to end the unhealthy rivalries and interferences that fuel violence and drive us apart. We must also pay attention to the issue of identity as a key driver of tension in, and beyond, the Middle East.

At their core, the vicious battles in Iraq, Afghanistan and Syria are over the nature of those countries’ identities and their consequent roles in our region and the world. The centrality of identity extends to the case of our peaceful nuclear energy program. To us, mastering the atomic fuel cycle and generating nuclear power is as much about diversifying our energy resources as it is about who Iranians are as a nation, our demand for dignity and respect and our consequent place in the world. Without comprehending the role of identity, many issues we all face will remain unresolved.[...]

...to move beyond impasses, whether in relation to Syria, my country’s nuclear program or its relations with the United States, we need to aim higher. Rather than focusing on how to prevent things from getting worse, we need to think — and talk — about how to make things better. To do that, we all need to muster the courage to start conveying what we want — clearly, concisely and sincerely — and to back it up with the political will to take necessary action. This is the essence of my approach to constructive interaction.

As I depart for New York for the opening of the U.N. General Assembly, I urge my counterparts to seize the opportunity presented by Iran’s recent election. I urge them to make the most of the mandate for prudent engagement that my people have given me and to respond genuinely to my government’s efforts to engage in constructive dialogue. Most of all, I urge them to look beyond the pines and be brave enough to tell me what they see — if not for their national interests, then for the sake of their legacies, and our children and future generations."


Fresh air

President Rouhani's words are like fresh air after the toxic fetid atmosphere that surrounds us in the West. Reason!
"In Iraq, 10 years after the American-led invasion, dozens still lose their lives to violence every day. Afghanistan endures similar, endemic bloodshed.
The unilateral approach, which glorifies brute force and breeds violence, is clearly incapable of solving issues we all face, such as terrorism and extremism."

I hope more than a few people ponder these words and come to see the simple wisdom in them. And perhaps a couple will see that the promise of 'righteous violence' that our govt and civic 'leaders' continually push is as barren as John McCain's mind.

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Btw...Putin's response to Bom Bom's editorial in Pravda. laughing out loud

"With his characteristic cutting humor, Putin wrote off the response essay written by U.S. Senator John McCain that was published in Russian media and had called Putin a corrupt dictator. “I think that he has a certain deficit of information about our country,” Putin said in reference to the U.S. senator. “He wanted to be published in a newspaper that is most authoritative… Pravda is a respected publication the Communist party, now in the opposition, but the level of its distribution in the country is minimal.”


"Sen. John McCain, a man of his word, published his editorial — a stirring defense of the rights to free speech, dissent and political expression — in Russia’s Pravda, just like he said he would.

One small problem: As people are now finally pointing out, this isn’t the famous Pravda. After the Soviet Union was made to collapse, its official propaganda organ was sold off and eventually closed. There is no more “Pravda,” omnipresent national newspaper in which the Kremlin disseminates the party line to the oppressed masses. There is now Pravda, the struggling, thrice-weekly organ of the remains of the Communist Party, and Pravda.ru, a sensationalistic online-only news site few people in Russia take seriously.

So, after Vladimir Putin published a provocative column in America’s most prominent and trusted newspaper, John McCain basically submitted his response to the Russian equivalent of the Daily Blaze. After you read his impassioned words, you can scroll down to Pravda’s enlightening “photos of celebrities” section. Or why not check out Lady Pravda for your love and beauty tips? McCain really couldn’t have found a better way to illustrate that he’s a befuddled Cold War relic with no idea whatsoever what Russia is like in 2013."

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Oh, good lord

Such a baffoon. Such a case

Such a baffoon. Such a case of logorrhea, or verbal incontinence.

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Logorrhea - what a good word. It sounds like diarrhea, as in verbal diarrhea. I went looking for a precise definition. This is what I found.

wink Wink

Logorrhea - closely related to verbal diarrhea.

A condition in which there is excessive and frequent evacuation of loose, foul sounding shit from the mouth. It is indicative of an underlying mental disorder. Severe and prolonged logorrhea can lead to a successful career in politics and other related fields.

For examples of this condtion see: John McCain, Lindsay Graham, Joe Lieberman...

Can't top that

I'd say you found a very accurate definition there, McJ laughing out loud

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laughing out loud

such a HEAD case!

They should have delayed the publication of his commentary until he could be taught to read and write, and then -- perhaps -- to think.

Putin calls Kerry a liar

"Kerry lies left, right and centre": Vladimir Putin

surprised? um, maybe not

The only really surprising thing I've heard from Putin recently was when he said that he was surprised at how the Americans -- and Kerry in particular -- were lying. Why would anybody be surprised? Especially somebody with a background in international relations! Do they really not know that the Americans are always lying? It's tough to believe they haven't figured that out yet.

Maybe they just pretend for the cameras that they expect better from the Americans, as a form of prodding (which doesn't work any better than giving Obama a Nobel Peace Prize in the "hope" that he would bring "change"). Or maybe it's just a standard diplomatic courtesy to act as if you expect your counterparts to tell the truth -- even if they never do.

The beautiful thing here, in my opinion, is that the Americans have absolutely no case to use against Putin, other than ad hominem attacks such as we've seen from McCain. They can't very well talk about the things he's been talking about, so they have to talk about him instead.

It would be very difficult to overestimate the animosity rising against him in certain circles. Unless I am mistaken, his security detail has already foiled multiple assassination attempts, and they certainly expect more to come.

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Speak softly...

Wow, "certain circles" are really gonna hate him now. I am continually surprised that he stays alive. He must have excellent protection!

My observation is that Putin (and Lavrov) are always very careful, very diplomatic, how they phrase what they say about Syria. It is always couched in 'mutual respect' and aimed towards de-escalation of the crisis. Of course, their actions are much more aggressive (ie moving their fleet into the Mediteranean, supplying arms, intel and advise etc.) - like that old saying of Teddy Roosevelt's they, "Speak softly but carry a big stick."

Perhaps, Putin is moving in for the kill, so to speak, now he has the upper hand? It would fit with his way of operating IMHO.

It was really good to hear him urging they look at the video evidence and asking what the US would do if the rebels are found guilty of the attacks.

I wonder if we will see another editorial in Pravda. Hehehe smiling

All good points

Good ole' Teddy, eh! smiling
I agree with your points, McJ and WP.
The Russians would be very aware of two gigantic lies that the Americans have told - that NATO "would not advance one inch to the east" if Russia agreed to the reunification of Germany. And the second one is more recent and very pertinent to the Syrian situation. It involves Libya and NATO's promise to restrict their armed intervention to maintaining a 'no-fly zone'.

The Russians, in the past, have been surprisingly trusting of their old adversaries. But definitely no more.

This is just a guess, of course, but in addition to the diplomatic niceties, I think Putin and Lavrov are attempting to win over the hearts and minds of many people around the world by identifying with them. By that I mean that they started out by adopting the posture of assuming that the American administration is basically honourable as many of these people in America and elsewhere do.

From that starting point, they are doing everything out in the open. Putin said recently that there will be no deals behind closed doors regarding their support of Syria. And indeed, the transcript of the Saudi prince of darkness' meeting with Putin to try and achieve just that was leaked to the world to see. Just in the last couple of days, Lavrov has been open about the US trying to blackmail it over the inclusion of Syria in the The Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons and trying to renege on their agreement with Russia.

This is turning into a live demonstration of the true nature of the US administration. The Russians are allowing the US to hang themselves in front of the world audience. This policy of doing everything out in the light of day is the only way anyone can deal with psychopaths, if you have to deal with them, that is. I'm sure Putin and Lavrov would not be dealing with the US at all if the alternative were not open warfare. Actually, the same goes for the US. They would not be dealing with the Russians if the alternative were not open warfare with them.

So I think Putin and Lavrov have been very clever but there is nothing underhanded about their strategy. They need to be open and honest and not be prejudging anything (i.e. by starting out taking Kerry et al at their word) to have many American and world citizens identify with the Russian position and then watch as the American administration exposes itself to them in full living colour.

The US' power ultimately rests on the perception of all those trusting (gullible) people around the world. This power, and the perception it rests on, is currently circling the plug hole. And there's nothing, it seems, that the US admin can do about it. Just like the scorpion in the tale of the scorpion and the frog, they have to follow their nature by lying continually even if it kills them.

The Americans are caught between the pincers of their eroding image in the public forum and the missile technology of the Russians and their willingness to use it to protect their interests and the lives of the Syrians.

Putin and chess and "moving in for the kill"

I've been reading chess books and playing chess for decades now, and I've forgotten who said what, for the most part. So I can't give the proper attribution to this next quote. But one of the most valuable and enduring bits of chess wisdom that I have ever read goes like this:

"When you have the advantage, you must attack. It is not simply an opportunity; it is an obligation. If you fail to take advantage of it, your advantage and your opportunity will disappear."

Putin certainly knows this. What he decides to do about it is another question.

Karma's a bitch

Yes, I'm sure Putin does not want the US getting back up off the mat to have to go through all this again. He is a martial artist, of course, and this is no sporting contest.

I don't know how it will play out exactly but I am confident that whatever the US does, it will become increasingly isolated by the rest of the world.
There's a beautiful irony in that. This whole strategy for the last twenty years, at least, has been to dominate and eventually capture Russia by encircling and isolating it from the rest of the world. Karma's a bitch!

"Certain circles" would indeed want Putin very dead. He is a brave man. I have wondered if his divorce from his wife, Lyudmila, was in some part an attempt to keep her safe. I read somewhere that Putin took all his own food to the G8 conference.

When i was writing the two article using chess and poker analogies, I had a clear picture in my mind of what was causing the erratic statements and decisions of Obomba et al. It was of "certain circles" haranguing him and Kerry to DO SOMETHING about this obstruction called Putin. I could then imagine these handlers being screamed at, in turn, by their masters, the jewish bankers who are watching their 200 year old plot for the NWO about to pass through the 'S bend'. They, in turn, have their master, of course, who has absolutely no mercy. Am I allowed to smile at this last thought? Or is that bad karma? smiling

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Lavrov: Turkey behind chemical attack

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"Letters from Agents to Obama
The aforementioned letter was sent on behalf of Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS) with the title “Is Syria a trap?” The letter, giving several details, claimed that the attack was planned in Turkey. (Read The Full Memorandum Here >>)
Hence, Lavrov, once again, ended up by accusing Turkey regarding the chemical attack in Damascus, though more implicitly compared to Churkin. The daily soL Newspaper was published with the headline “Erdoğan might be judged for chemicals” and probed this claim that circulated in the diplomatic backstage after the accusations of Russia and Iran. In the aforementioned news, it was reminded that in an intelligence report leaked from Pentagon, there was information that the sarin gas that was used in Syria was produced in Iraq and smuggled to Syria through Turkey by al-Qaeda.
The US government was wrong footed in foreign politics after the attack in Damascus since there was no foreign intervention to Syria, contrary to what he expected. The fact that little interest is shown to the President Abdullah Gül during his visit to the US for the UN General Assembly is related to this situation. The increasing data on the claim that Turkey is behind the chemical attack might result in Turkey’s being accused in international arena.
CIA Agents Accused Turkey
The Minister of Foreign Affairs of Russia, Sergei Lavrov, in his interview with the Washington Post, stated that “We also know about an open letter sent to President Obama by former operatives of the CIA.” In the aforementioned letter, it was claimed that the chemical attack that was carried out in Damascus in the 21st of August was planned in Turkey.
The letter was signed by 12 retired agents among which there are Philip Giraldi, a former operations officer, and Thomas Drake, a former senior executive of NSA. The letter stated to Obama that “There’s no evidence at the hands of the US that the chemical attack was carried out by Syria, you’re deceived.”
The parts of the letter concerning Turkey is as such:
“We have learned that in August 13-14, 2013, Western-sponsored opposition forces in Turkey started advance preparations for a major, irregular military surge. Initial meetings between senior opposition military commanders and Qatari, Turkish and U.S. intelligence officials took place at the converted Turkish military garrison in Antakya, Hatay Province, now used as the command center and headquarters of the Free Syrian Army (FSA) and their foreign sponsors.”
“Senior opposition commanders who came from Istanbul pre-briefed the regional commanders on an imminent escalation in the fighting due to ‘a war-changing development,’ which, in turn, would lead to a U.S.-led bombing of Syria.”
“At operations coordinating meetings at Antakya, attended by senior Turkish, Qatari and U.S. intelligence officials as well as senior commanders of the Syrian opposition, the Syrians were told that the bombing would start in a few days. Opposition leaders were ordered to prepare their forces quickly to exploit the U.S. bombing, march into Damascus, and remove the Bashar al-Assad government.”
“The Qatari and Turkish intelligence officials assured the Syrian regional commanders that they would be provided with plenty of weapons for the coming offensive. And they were. A weapons distribution operation unprecedented in scope began in all opposition camps in August 21-23. The weapons were distributed from storehouses controlled by Qatari and Turkish intelligence under the tight supervision of U.S. intelligence officers.”

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"Russia evacuated its diplomats from Libya on Thursday after an armed group stormed the Russian Embassy in Tripoli and clashed with government security forces in a bloody shootout.
The attack came after several dozen people rallied in front of the Russian Embassy in Tripoli late Wednesday night, with attackers firing at an embassy car, climbing on to the roof of the building and tearing down the Russian flag.
The perpetrators are believed to be relatives and friends of a Libyan officer who was murdered by a Russian woman a day before the attack, Foreign Ministry spokesman Alexander Lukashevich said in a statement."

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Interview with Mother Agnes

A good interview with Mother Agnes about the continuing smear campaign against her, her reaction to the quisling journalists, Scahill and Jones, decision to Boycott the Stop the War Coalition if she attended and her work towards peace and reconcilliation in Syria by Sharmin Narwani.


Sharmin Narwani is good value

And so is Mother Agnes Miriam, too, of course. Good catch, McJ.
She answered the questions well and I'm glad that this is backfiring on Scahill and Jones. Mother Agnes made such a good point about the conference (which is obvious but hadn't occurred to me) that it would not be adhering to non-violence principles with those attitudes from the start and so it would not be fruitful to attend (or something like that). Or better yet, in her own words (emphasis mine)-
" . . . I also have fear that this conference will not be useful, because these people attending are not applying non-violence principles. Non-violence principles means to be open to all adversaries. We can deal with people who don’t think like us. A non-violent approach is to dialogue precisely with people who are different. For a peace conference to begin like this, I felt like it is not a peace conference."

On Gatekeepers On Gatekeepers

Here is the article by Jonathan Cook quoted by Sharmine Narwani-

While Cook (subject of a previous post) is critical of Scahill and Jones, it's for the wrong (minor) reasons - unsurprisingly. Cook avoids telling us that this pair threatened to leave if Mother Agnes Miriam attended. She withdrew immediately and when the sphincter brothers came under criticism themselves for their actions, they withdrew and scurried off. But, Mission Accomplished - the conference was scuttled and with it the platform it would have provided for the truth.

Now Cook is helping clean up the mess by reversing the timing of the two withdrawals and reversing the roles by painting 'the brothers' as the victims rather than the perps that they are.

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Good point

"Now Cook is helping clean up the mess by reversing the timing of the two withdrawals and reversing the roles by painting 'the brothers' as the victims rather than the perps that they are"

Good point! I never bothered to go read Cook's article.

Cook's article

I didn't intend any judgement on Sharmine or yourself, McJ. In Sharmine Narmani's quote of Cook's, he said Scahill was trying to win favour with the MSM (which is something we are all familiar with and can sympathise with to some extent) when in fact he is employed to promote their agenda - a paid agent, which is something else again. So my interest was piqued. The idea of one gatekeeper reporting on another gatekeeper intrigued me as well.

Cook is a master at what he does. He, too, tries to bury Mother Agnes Miriam. It would be interesting (for me at least) to pick his article apart but there's limited utility in doing it over and over.

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No worries

No worries. I didn't think that was what you were doing. smiling And I agree, after reading Cook's article it is full of disinfo. While he says the post is not about Mother Agnes, he effectively discredits her and promotes the story that there is some debatable controversy surrounding her. When in fact, it is simply an organized smear campaign designed to marginalize her and her message, that we are seeing. Very sneaky!

Btw - I would be good with your picking apart the article. smiling

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