Gadaffi's Son on the War by NATO

This is a Russia Today interview (12 mins) with Colonel Gadaffi's son, Saif Al-Islam, on the War by Nato on Libya and the reasons for it. Saif Al-Islam also talks about his mistakes in dealing with the West and that these are a lesson for other countries.

Shorter version - Deal with snakes and you will get bitten!

The link comes via Richard Edmonson at


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remember 2003

"Gaddafi gives up WMD" was hailed as a big successful result of the war of terror.
Now in the interview, Saif Al-Islam says if they hadn't given them up, they wouldn't have been attacked now.
So this is Libya's "reward" and "thank you" for giving up WMD?
How horrible.
Unfortunately for all of us, this is the nature of the world.

good point

So this is Libya's "reward" and "thank you" for giving up WMD?
good point, NJT

Unfortunately for all of us, this is the nature of the world.

I must differ from you here, though. This is the nature of the psychopaths who run our world. Who run it for the time being anyway until they are understood by enough of the rest of us.

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the psychopaths

So how long have the psychopaths been around, at least since Roman or Greek times? Not long enough to officially be considered part of the world i suppose.

So then let's suppose we miraculously achieve critical mass of understanding to the point where control can be taken from the psychopaths, then what?

We've still got the problem of this apple we've bitten and no way to get rid of all our pollution or easily switch back to a less energy intensive lifestyle... believe me, I'm all for it but it's all about achieving critical mass and I'm starting to fear "setting a good example" by riding a bike everywhere isn't going to get it done. And then there's that whole overpopulation thing. I think even absent the present group and mindset of psycopathy, conflicts over resources will rise to violence.

sorry to be pessimistic, i love you james but to me it is the nature of the world and i wish and hope and pray that i am wrong.

Optimism Vs Pessimism

I hear what you are saying NJT and i'm not that far different from you, I think. Your comment deserves a longer reply but a short one for the moment.

Optimism in a situation that has a very serious downside is foolishness. Pessimism is an appropriate attitude to strike in that case because the reality needs to be addressed squarely and precautions taken. The situation you draw our attention to is very much such a case.

But pessimism needs hope to lead on to appropriate action. Taking out everyday insurance is an example of that. Pessimism without hope leads to fatalism and inaction and to whatever outcome is feared.

You may have taken this statement of mine as optimistic-
This is the nature of the psychopaths who run our world. Who run it for the time being anyway until they are understood by enough of the rest of us.

It can be taken as pessimistic, too. Or just as a statement of fact. My general outlook is one of pessimism with hope. i.e I agree it doesn't look good or encouraging but I do what I can because i have hope knowing that, conversely, I can't do what can if I don't have hope.

Have you read Ishamel by Daniel Quinn? He doesn't go into psychopathy but he shines a light on many of the assumptions we have about history and 'civilisation' and our society today. Thoroughly, thoroughly recommended reading smiling

Quinn's book illuminates the nature of our problem and you will readily see how psychopaths have taken advantage of us.

good one, James

and I hope you are doing ok Wink

I've got the tee shirt!

Yeah, doin' pretty good, Winter . . . . . for an old bloke laughing out loud

One advantage to accumulating years is that, after a while, dramas tend to have a sameness about them. A certain "bin dere, survive dat" quality smiling

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here, some postcards

wish you were here


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about these

i had some credits on a "stock photo" site that were about to expire, so i grabbed whatever grabbed my interest and put them up here in case i might want to use them later; apparently i now have the full rights to do so.

but i do sorta wish the WTC was still here, although maybe the world's better off without that asbestos-laden monstrosity. OK strike that, I wish it had been dismantled in a more peaceful manner.


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NATO's ultimate War Crime: Destroying Libya's water supply

NATO's ultimate War Crime: Destroying Libya's water supply
by Timothy Bancroft-Hinchey

"A NATO terrorist attack has hit a water pipes factory in al-Brega, murdering six guards, this being the factory which makes pipes for the great man-made irrigation system across the desert which brings water to seventy per cent of Libyan homes, according to sources in Libya. The factory was hit after the water supply network was destroyed on Friday.

July 22 2011. A date for humanity to remember. NATO hit the Libyan water supply pipeline. It will take months to repair. Then on Saturday they hit the pipeline factory producing pipes to repair it.

Since when is a water pipes factory in al-Brega a legitimate target to impose a no-fly zone to protect civilians? Sine when is the water supply pipeline itself a legitimate target?

NATO has committed another war crime, targeting a civilian water supply network which brings water to 70% of Libya's population, according to Pravda.Ru sources in Libya. The general manager of the Man Made River Corporation which controls the pipeline reports it was hit in a NATO strike on Friday. In another clear violation of the law, a consignment from Italy of 19 000 AK-47's was caught in Ajdabiyah by the Libyan authorities, according to Libyan military sources. "

It was hit the same day of

It was hit the same day of the Norway atrocity. Nice diversion. A common tactic of the israelis. Another common tactic of their's is to hide behind other people. Nice going, guys, but we see you.

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