debunker crap

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here are some sites i wanted to look at as far as presenting "both sides of the debate";
I found this on some site called facebook in a group called "there is no 9/11 conspiracy you morons"

Both Sides of the debate:
(Special thanks to Greg Imler)

The American Society of Civil Engineers analysis:
EDIT: Where is the report?!

For all the racists/anti-Semites:
(Special thanks to Zach Hobbs for introducing anti-Semitism to the conspiracy theorist repertoire; his parents must be very proud).

Journal of debunking 9/11 Conspiracies:

Under "What's Your Stupidist 9/11 Conspiracy?" Some smart ass wrote in there,

I think the stupidest thing i heard was that, after supposedly fighting against the forming of a 911 commission, Bush and Cheney refused to testify apart from one another. Or under oath, or publicly. And there would be no record of what they said to the 911 commission. I can't BELIEVE people fall for that shit.
Or no wait, what about the stupid thing about 2 TRILLION dollars in unaccounted pentagon expenses announced the very day before 9/11? - as if "trillion" was a real number! What stupid IDIOTS! haha.

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Yeah, the OCT is definitely the STUPIDEST thing ever heard!
Trillions of buckets of manure .. $%#^& .. Good post, NJT.

I've been really busy the last few days - don't think I've lost interest, 'coz that's not it at all.

Hope I can read the info at the sites [for which you've posted links] sometime this week pray

Keep up the good work y'all.

Truth is by nature self-evident. As soon as you remove the cobwebs of ignorance that surround it, it shines clear. ~~ Mohandas Gandhi~~

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I like your idea

Been busy with my many 'little' blogs and haven't had time to get over here and help out. It's lookin good. cool

I couldn't find that report either, I had to come back here and read your post again before I noticed the "EDIT: Where is the report?!"

I like your idea of presenting both sides of the debate. It would certainly be helpful for anyone new to the subject of 911 truth and potentially a good resource for those like WP who are writing on the subject.

I am not nearly as well read on the subject as most of the posters here or on the Winter Patriot's site so I'm not sure what materials would be useful for the 911 Research Forum. Perhaps we could come up with some guidelines for what we are looking for. For example, would we post the Steffen Paper or would that be considered old news?

"They say that patriotism is the last refuge to which a scoundrel clings. Steal a little and they put you in jail. Steal a lot and then they make you king" ~~Bob Dylan~~

9/11 Research

Ok, I've pulled an all-nighter immersed in Bizarro World reading neocon Jabberwocky. jawdropping! Anyway, I wanted to give you some links to great 9/11 documentary videos.

Since I don't know what you have or haven't seen I'm giving you a couple of links that should provide a lot of enlightenment on the 9/11 subject.

1. 9/11 & AMERICAN EMPIRE: INTELLECTUALS SPEAK OUT -- September 24, 2006 marked the first public event sponsored by Berkeley radio station KPFA regarding the alternative vision of the events of 9/11. The panel discussion celebrated the publication of the book edited by David Ray Griffin and Peter Dale Scott titled “9/11 and American Empire: Intellectuals Speak Out.” The video of this landmark event publicizing 9/11Truth, includes the complete presentations of each of four major contributors to the book: David Ray Griffin, Peter Dale Scott, Peter Phillips and Kevin Ryan plus question and answer moderated by host Ray McGovern. The audience’s standing ovation response to this standing-room-only event was tremendous.

NOTE: The 1st minute of the video is very choppy & you might fault your connection, however it is the recording ... you can turn your sound down & read the screen if it's too annoying. The rest of the video is fine.

2. Free 9/11 Documentaries & Videos
Bring Your Own Popcorn & Two-Four! beauty, eh Honestly, this is one of the best sites on the 'net. They have almost every video [relating to 9/11 & other relevant topics] here & you can watch them for free.

Hope you enjoy!

PS NJT or McJ, If you want to move this post to another place i.e. a 9/11 forum heading or whatever, feel free to do so. I'm too tired to think about it now!

Truth is by nature self-evident. As soon as you remove the cobwebs of ignorance that surround it, it shines clear. ~~ Mohandas Gandhi~~

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Thanks Kira

Thanks for the links Kira. I think I'll need more than a two-four to get through all those videos - maybe I'll just cancel my cable for the next little while. smiling

I moved the second link to the 9-11 Forum. (I figured the first one would most likely be included there.)

"They say that patriotism is the last refuge to which a scoundrel clings. Steal a little and they put you in jail. Steal a lot and then they make you king" ~~Bob Dylan~~

McJ - Oddly enough

The film "9/11 & American Empire: Intellectuals Speak Out" isn't listed at the 9/11 Theater -- unless it was hiding from me last night.

I found a bunch of new ones I haven't seen listed there, so I'll be watching, too.

Truth is by nature self-evident. As soon as you remove the cobwebs of ignorance that surround it, it shines clear. ~~ Mohandas Gandhi~~

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I'll Add It

I'll add it to the 9-11 post.

I watched it today.
I have heard most of the info covered on other videos... but it was very good.

I've been contemplating how anyone of sane mind and average intelligence could think these guys were conspiracy theorists. They are, for the most part, dry and intellectual, simply laying out the facts as they see them. Some, like Kevin Ryan, don't appear to be overly comfortable with public speaking and are obviously doing this because they believe it is the right thing to do. Even if you disagreed with them, there is nothing in their demeanour or presentation that would suggest 'conspiracy' nuts.
How did our society get to a place where so many are so ignorant and so lacking in the perceptual skills necessary to determine truth from bullshit.

A comment Arry made over on WP's site has been sticking in my mind.
"Enforced (and, as usual, hypocritically generated) ignorance is the enemy that has brought the earth to its present state."

"They say that patriotism is the last refuge to which a scoundrel clings. Steal a little and they put you in jail. Steal a lot and then they make you king" ~~Bob Dylan~~


it really is horrible, isn't it?

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yeah debunker crap sure is crappy

And you know there's a lot more where this came from, i like to read the comments of these sorts of things now and then.
I briefly entertained the idea of writing a point by point rebuttal, but my enthusiasm for engaging such folk is flagging.

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the latest from CMSM

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Suiciding the witnesses?

From Brasscheck TV:

Key 9/11 eye witness "commits suicide"
The Daily News reported yesterday that Kenny Johannemann - a key witness in the WTC 9/11 bombings - recently committed suicide.

I call him a key witness because in spite of aggressive prodding from reporters about "the planes," he clearly called what happened on the upper floors of the World Trade Center "explosions."

More important, Johannemann reported a massive explosion in the basement of one of the Twin Towers and rescuing someone who received full body burns from an explosion that took place at the base - not the top - of the building.

(The Daily News obscured this part of the story in their report today.)

The suicide note purportedly left by Johannemann stated that he had "lost friends and family" over "his drinking" which the letter attributes to his depression since 9/11.

Here is the entire text of the note as reported in the Daily News:

"The reason I killed myself was 'cause I was getting evicted and can't handle homelessness. I was also very depressed since 9/11. I've been drinking way too much and it's ruined my life. I've lost friends and family over drinking and I'm very lonely. There is nothing left for me to be happy about other than my cat. Sounds weird, but it's true. I just wanted to say I'm sorry 2 any people I ever hurt in my life. I really was a good person when I wasn't drinking. I hope people remember that.


Kenny Johannemann"

I wonder if the person who wrote this suicide note bothered to spend any time listening to Johannemann speak.

Johannemann had a large extended family and large social network which, according to his cousin Gerald Maya, universally held him in high regard. Maya had offered him a place to live.

You have to ask yourself two thing:

1. Would a man shoot himself in the head because he faced eviction when he had a family and social safety net like that?

2. Would someone as well spoken as Johannemann demonstrated himself to be on live TV, write a suicide note that sounds more like a teen aged boy's text message than a grown man's final testament?

Keep in mind that there are other people, more visible than Johannemann, who are actively telling the same story he did in public venues. You can bet that Johannemann's "suicide" has sent them a message loud and clear about their safety or lack of it.

In case you were concerned about them, these eye witnesses are alive and well:

I'm no expert on suicide notes but I have to agree this one is really weird.
He starts it with "The reason I killed myself was...", which sounds like he wrote it after he shot himself.
He doesn't say goodbye to any of his friends and family and then talks about his cat.

Seems more likely the PTB's are tying up loose ends.

**Video of Johannemann (on 911) at the Brasscheck link above.**

"I set it down,
That one may smile, and smile, and be a villain..." -- Shakespeare, Hamlet, I, v

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Thanks for this McJ

In an eerie way it reminds me of the grad student that was shot in an apparent mugging. Strange strange stuff: