Thus Was All Hope Lost, 45 Years Ago Today

Forty-five years ago today, the world was changed by an audacious act of terrorism.

Ensuing events have confirmed the suspicions that arose at the time: the changes that came in the wake of the event have been forever, and not for better.

Humanity's last reasonable hope for peace and prosperity was dashed. The last real President of the United States was dead. And all the rest has been decline and fall.

You can read the rest here, and/or comment below.



But where's the actual PROOF? Believe me, I wouldn't put such a conspiracy past the powers-that-be, but speciulation is one thing and evidence is something else. True, the whole thing with Oswald acting alone and so on, seems odd, but odder things have happened. Please elaborate on why you believe Oswald was just a pawn. And where did Jack Ruby come in? And who engineered this? And why?

the proof ...

Ironically, the proof is in the official account of the story. The Warren Commission published 26 volumes of evidence, as well as their "official report". The official report was a whitewash. And they published mountains of evidence in the 26 volumes which proved it was so.

If you are seriously interested in the proof, I seriously suggest that you read David Lifton. Lifton's book, "Best Evidence", which I linked to and tried to summarize in the post "Better Than Doyle", does a fantastic job of explaining what happened, and how it happened, and how he figured it out. It's a wild story, full of eerie twists and stomach-turning insights.

But the wildness is all about the crime he's determined to solve. There's nothing wild about his research or his methods -- they are all driven by logic and the refinement of knowledge into more knowledge. One answer leads to another question. The answer to that one question leads to two more questions, and so on. Lifton gets a lead, picks up the phone and calls somebody, and learns something which leads him to formulate another question, and so on.

It took him years of hard work to do it, but eventually Lifton had enough pieces of the puzzle to put it together.

I'll answer your other questions separately as time permits.

conspiracy (1)

There are a number of ways to glimpse conspiracy in this case: here's perhaps the simplest of them.

Joe Smith, a Dallas policeman, heard the shots that killed the president and thought they had come from the grassy knoll (a small grassy hill to the front and the right of the motorcade when the murder took place). Smith told the Warren Commission that he ran to the grassy knoll, and when he got there he was stopped by a man with Secret Service credentials, who told Smith he couldn't go any farther, but that the Secret Service had things under control.

The Secret Service testified that it had no officers in Dallas on the day of the assassination except those in the motorcade.

So ... Who were the men on the grassy knoll? If they were in fact Secret Service officers then we have prima facie evidence of a conspiracy involving the Secret Service. If they were not Secret Service officers then we have prima facie evidence of a different kind of conspiracy. Either way, those guys shouldn't have been there. And the fact that they were there shows that Oswald couldn't have been the "lone assassin" he was made out to be.

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As usual, compliments to the master

Hey Winter,

More great stuff - we're getting spoiled. Please keep those Energizer batteries charged up! I remember this series on the JFK assassination and subsequent coup d'etat (That image of LBJ "taking the oath" on AF1 will haunt my worst nightmares forever!) and will read it once again if I have time tomorrow (one never knows, when one works in the service industry, i.e., is a servant), but I think it's great that new visitors/users have such an easy chance to bring themselves up to date, and perhaps be tempted to poke around in the archives. Thanks for the insights (and see ya in the funny papers), Professor!

For sure you must be burning the midnight oil, and I hate to bring this up, but:

"Smith told the Warren Commission that he ran to the grassy knoll, and when he got there he was stopped by a men with Secret Service credentials, who told Smith he couldn't go any farther, but that the Secret Service had things under control."

It might sound picky, but just who was that masked men???

Happy trails from wintery Prague, where our numerous grassy knolls are now snow-covered!

conspiracy (2)

A detailed article, complete with a studio photo, portraying Lee Harvey Oswald as the man who killed the president, was published in a New Zealand newspaper ... BEFORE Oswald was charged with the crime in Dallas.

This means that either [1] the New Zealand paper had a psychic on staff who wrote up the article and obtained the photo, even before the Dallas police had laid the charges, or [2] The "legend" was prepared in advance of the crime, to be leaked to the media on a pre-determined schedule, and somebody got confused about New Zealand's time zone.

[2] is horrible to contemplate. But [1] is flat-out impossible, and as Sherlock used to say, "When you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth."

patsy (1)

Oswald took a paraffin test in Dallas on the afternoon of the assassination. This test involves an application of molten wax over the skin -- on the hands and face. When the wax cools, it is removed, and it takes with it anything that was on the skin. And they examine it for gunpowder residue.

If your paraffin test comes back positive -- if they find gunpowder residue on your skin -- it doesn't prove you fired a gun. You could have got the residue on yourself some other way.

But if your paraffin test comes back negative -- if they can't find any trace of residue on you -- it proves you haven't fired a gun recently. Otherwise you would have got some residue on your hands and face, especially with a cheaply made weapon.

The Mannlicher-Carcano that Oswald allegedly used to kill JFK was an exceptionally cheap weapon. And Oswald's paraffin test came back negative.

This proves Oswald didn't kill Kennedy; it also proves Oswald didn't even shoot at him.

Back and to the left...

I have never nor will I ever see a man's brain coming out the back of his head because he was shot from the back. Jackie looked as if she was trying to chase the pieces down the trunk. She did not jump into the front seat to collect them. I have seen hundreds of forensic photos of different types of gunshot wounds and the pattern of blood and tissue spatter. That was a pretty crappy rifle that Oswald supposedly had, I doubt you could hit anything with it, a moving target would be out of the question and that is if you could get the bolt to close correctly anyway. This was the main reason the rifle was scrapped.
The man threatened to split the CIA into a thousand pieces and was not shy about it, I've heard speeches of his that dealt with the swine in high places and the games they play. The conspiracy theory that the government put out is of the same caliber of the crap that they feed us about 9/11.


Jackie climbed out onto the back of the car to retrieve a piece of JFK's head. She still had it in her hands when they got to the hospital. A nurse took it from her and gave it to one of the doctors.

As Pat says, if Oswald had been the shooter, Jackie would have been climbing toward the front of the car, not the rear.


I had understood Jackie climbed toward the back to help an agent up. There are pictures of them reaching for each other's hands.

don't believe everything you read

The Secret Service agent climbed on top of the car to get her down!

The story you heard is not even plausible.

If your husband had just been shot, would you be thinking "I wonder if any of the guys who were supposed to protect us are in trouble on the back of the car?"

patsy (2)

The story of Oswald's arrest is instructive. He was arrested in the Texas Theater, a small cinema in downtown Dallas. He snuck in without paying.

The clerk called the police and said "Somebody snuck in without paying."

The police arrived within minutes -- in a dozen squad cars. Among the police detailed to perform this arrest were high-ranking homicide officers.

Again there are only two possible conclusions: either [1] Dallas had so many police, and so many homicide investigators, that they could spare plenty of both for a case of petit larceny, while at the very same time conducting a massive manhunt for the killer of the president, or [2] there's something going on here that we're not supposed to know about.

Actually there are a lot of things we're not supposed to know about, and the mainstream media won't tell you any of it ... but I will. Wink

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Hi Winter -

You've had some great posts lately. Thanks for all your work.

Just so you know, the Texas Theater is not in downtown Dallas. It is actually in a neighborhood south of downtown called Oak Cliff.

Also, there is a quote attributed to Jack Ruby which appears in the book "Treason: The New World Order" by Gurudas. I'm not sure what his source was.

Jack Ruby said that the Kennedy assassination was "an act of overthrowing the government . . . A whole new form of government is going to take over the country."

For what it's worth . . .


Oswald and Ruby

Re Oswald's arrest: Just so you know, the Texas Theater is not in downtown Dallas. It is actually in a neighborhood south of downtown called Oak Cliff.

You're right. My mistook. It's late here and I've been working from memory. But you're exactly right.

Re Ruby: Jack Ruby (born Jacob Rubenstein) was a mobster; he had been working for the Mafia since he was a teenager in Chicago, and was apparently sent to Dallas when the mob began to take an interest in Texas in the late 40s. He was a long-time Dallas Police Department groupie, who did whatever he could to ingratiate himself with the cops. Apparently he was ordered to kill Oswald, and he apparently did so willingly ... but later on, he changed his mind about a lot of things.

Ruby's famous comment -- that "a whole new form of government is going to take over the country" -- was made to Gerald Ford and Earl Warren. Ford and Warren came to visit Ruby in jail in Dallas. Ruby wanted to go to Washington to testify, because he felt he couldn't speak freely in Dallas. Warren was having none of it.

Kennedy's assassination

I just want to say thanks. I am writing an essay on the HCSA and the reasons why they believed there was a conspiracy, I found this site just mooching around the net and it has been quite helpful in backing up some of my opinions and eviendence. So thanks.

Dear Winter Patriot,

I've come to trust you, but what makes you so certain that JFK was such a great president? I've read everything you've written---well, not EVERYTHING, still working on it---but still I'm very uncertain about this.

You don't have a blind spot, do you? Your zeal has me worried.

It's not just one thing...

There's not one thing I can point to and say "THIS is what makes me think JFK was a great president". I'm not even sure I would call him a "great president".

But there are a whole stack of things -- things he said, and things he did -- that make me say "He was a better president than any who has followed him".

Kennedy was no saint and I can't say I liked everything he did in his personal life or in the area of policy, but he was miles beyond any other president we've had ... in my lifetime, certainly.

He was the only president we had during the height of the Cold War who had the nerve to call the Russians people. He didn't want to bomb them to oblivion; he longed for "peaceful coexistence". He said things like "We all breathe the same air." That was considered scandalous by the military -- he didn't care! He knew it was right and he wasn't backing down to the Pentagon.

At the same time he wasn't into appeasement -- and he wasn't adverse to drawing a line in the sand and standing firm behind it. That's what happened in the Berlin Crisis -- the Soviets tried to blockade Berlin, so Kennedy used the Air Force to supply the city by airlift.

On domestic policy, he stood up to big steel, and big oil, and the mafia, and the CIA, and the Pentagon ... he worked for civil rights, and against poverty; he worked for peace and against war; he spoke about -- and considered -- the least fortunate, rather than only the elites ... It would take hours to explain all this; but I can give you one or two examples.

Steel: the economy was booming through the late 50s and the big steel companies were making lots of money. In the early 60s the steel workers wanted some of that money and they threatened to strike if they didn't get big raises. Kennedy didn't want to see the US stop making steel; nor did he want to see big wage increases fueling inflation. So he intervened in the negotiations and persuaded the union to take a smaller raise than they were demanding. No sooner had they signed their contract than all the big steel companies, acting in concert, raised their prices. Kennedy hit the roof. And he forced them to roll back their price increases!

Mafia: Kennedy had appointed his younger brother Bobby (RFK) Attorney General, and Bobby had had enough of organized crime. The Mafia had been protected for decades by J. Edgar Hoover and his FBI, and the JFK/RFK assault on the mob was indirectly an assault on the FBI. And RFK was Hoover's boss! Hoover hated the Kennedy brothers, and he was only one of their many powerful enemies. But they didn't care: RFK's DoJ continued trying to track down and prosecute as many mafia leaders as they could.

All this was unprecedented, and it stopped as soon as LBJ took over. RFK ran for president in '68, of course, and he was gunned down too. Nothing was going to be left to chance in '68 the way it was in 1960.

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Wow, thanks, Winter.

I've still got a lot to learn. It seems that the older I get, the more I say that.

no prob

I'm very busy at the moment but I will have more for you later.

and now ... [poof!]

Lies Exposed By An Unwillingness To Seek The Truth

"Ironically, the proof is in the official account of the story. "

Same as with 911 Commission, same as with the anthrax "investigation"...


And it is worth noting that the Warren Commission was never asked to investigate the "crime of the century". Our leaders at the time were more concerned with being able "to head off public speculation or Congressional hearings of the wrong sort".

The following memo was written by Nicholas Katzenbach, Deputy Attorney General, three days after the assassination:


Memo from Nicholas deB. Katzenbach, Deputy Attorney General

November 25, 1963


It is important that all of the facts surrounding President Kennedy's Assassination be made public in a way which will satisfy people in the United States and abroad that all the facts have been told and that a statement to this effect be made now.

1. The public must be satisfied that Oswald was the assassin; that he did not have confederates who are still at large; and that the evidence was such that he would have been convicted at trial.

2. Speculation about Oswald's motivation ought to be cut off, and we should have some basis for rebutting thought that this was a Communist conspiracy or (as the Iron Curtain press is saying) a right-wing conspiracy to blame it on the Communists. Unfortunately the facts on Oswald seem about too pat -- too obvious (Marxist, Cuba, Russian wife, etc.). The Dallas police have put out statements on the Communist conspiracy theory, and it was they who were in charge when he was shot and thus silenced.

3. The matter has been handled thus far with neither dignity nor conviction. Facts have been mixed with rumour and speculation. We can scarcely let the world see us totally in the image of the Dallas police when our President is murdered.

I think this objective may be satisfied by making public as soon as possible a complete and thorough FBI report on Oswald and the assassination. This may run into the difficulty of pointing to inconsistencies between this report and statements by Dallas police officials. But the reputation of the Bureau is such that it may do the whole job. The only other step would be the appointment of a Presidential Commission of unimpeachable personnel to review and examine the evidence and announce its conclusions. This has both advantages and disadvantages. It think it can await publication of the FBI report and public reaction to it here and abroad.

I think, however, that a statement that all the facts will be made public property in an orderly and responsible way should be made now. We need something to head off public speculation or Congressional hearings of the wrong sort.

Nicholas deB. Katzenbach

Deputy Attorney General


Note that the "Mr. Moyers" to whom this memo was addressed is the very same Bill Moyers who was Lyndon Johnson's mouthpiece at the time and who now is regarded as a paragon of virtuous journalism.

Starts with F, ends in CK

with a long, drawn out UUUU in the middle, exclaimation point at the end. (I've been saying that a LOT lately.)

Bill Moyers? Please don't take me there.


everyone that I have trusted through the years is.....not trust worthy?

I'm having a hard time here. It's not a question of the difference between my heart and my head. Well, okay, maybe it is.

I'm suddenly forlorn.

the last struggle between my heart and my head ...

was documented here ... for what it's worth

Winter post

Winter post this?

Guido Giacomo Preparata. Conjuring Hitler: How Britain And America Made the Third Reich
Pluto Press (UK) | 2005-08 | 074532181X / 9780745321813 | 333 pages | PDF | 5 Mb

Nazism is usually depicted as the outcome of political blunders and unique economic factors: we are told that it could not be prevented, and that it will never be repeated.

In this explosive book, Guido Giacomo Preparata shows that the truth is very different: using meticulous economic analysis, he demonstrates that Hitler's extraordinary rise to power was in fact facilitated and eventually financed by the British and American political classes during the decade following World War I.

Through a close analysis of events in the Third Reich, Preparata unveils a startling history of Anglo-American geopolitical interests in the early twentieth century. He explains that Britain, still clinging to its empire, was terrified of an alliance forming between Germany and Russia. He shows how the UK, through the Bank of England, came to exercise control over Weimar Germany and how Anglo-American financial support for Hitler enabled the Nazis to seize power.

This controversial study shows that Nazism was not regarded as an aberration: for the British and American establishment of the time, it was regarded as a convenient way of destabilising Europe and driving Germany into conflict with Stalinist Russia, thus preventing the formation of any rival continental power block.

Guido Giacomo Preparata lays bare the economic forces at play in the Third Reich, and identifies the key players in the British and American establishment who aided Hitler's meteoric rise.

President Kennedy was approached by military brass to consider a false flag attack against the United States, and he vociferously opposed it! The militarists wanted to execute a plan of violence and terrorism against American citizens and blame it upon another country, and President Kennedy found that prospect to be morally corrupt. See more about: Northwoods, via Google. Kennedy also was removing all military "advisors" from Vietnam, and Kennedy intended to GET US OUT OF VIETNAM ......and then he found himself facing the militarists in Dallas, Texas.

Cut-out figure made so useful.
Do you really think the 'lone wolf' assassin Lee Harvey Oswald vetted himself into the Navy, and obtained a high security clearance, all by himself, and got sent to Russia, all on his own?! Oswald was strictly manufactured as a perfect cutout figure.

It's impossible for one 'lone wolf' to triangulate live-fire from three separate positions, too; ah, but some still want Oswald to be known as the real sole assassin of President Kennedy. Why? Oswald never had any personal animosity toward President Kennedy; nor did he fire any rifle.

Who was Ruby (Rubenstein) connected to in Dallas and New York? Why was Ruby allowed into the secured halls of Dallas jail, and allowed to shoot Oswald dead? What did the collective inner-group want covered-up about Oswald? Why did they want Oswald shot dead? Which groups prospered from the American War in Vietnam?

JFK Assassination

To those who would doubt the motivation behind the killing, or whether or not JFK was committed to peace in his time--an idea that shook the military-industrial-intelligence complex to its core--please re-read (or read for the first time) his speech of June 10, 1963, the commencement address at American University. No more wars, said JFK; then we'll do away with you, said the MII complex.

To Rosemary Molloy, and all doubters--please, please educate yourself. Read Mark Lane's "Plausible Denial," Noel Twyman's "Bloody Treason," David Lifton's "Best Evidence," and Jim Marrs' "Crossfire." LBJ divulged the origin and execution of the plot to his mistress, Madeleine Brown, when she confronted him New Year's Eve, 1963, at a party in Texas. He told her, "The CIA and Texas oilmen killed JFK." But it was LBJ and the Joint Chiefs who wanted him dead. One of LBJ's financial guardian angels was one D.H. Byrd, millionaire and friend of H.L. Hunt, Clint Murchison and Sid Richardson. Together, these men owned Dallas in the 1960s. Byrd owned the Texas School Book Depository. His employee, Roy Truly, hired Oswald on the recommendation of Ruth Paine (CIA), the Oswald family landlady. On Nov. 22, JFK's limo passes conveniently right by the TSBD building so that Oswald can be framed for JFK's murder. Johnson becomes president and dreams up the phony Guld of Tonkin incident so he can start the Vietnam War for real. Byrd's Ling-Temco-Vought company gets a huge defense contract to supply weapons for the war. So does Bell Helicopter of Dallas/Fort Worth, where Michael Paine, Ruth's husband, works. The Huey, worked on by Walter Dornberger (ex-Nazi rocket scientist brought to the US by Allen Dulles and the CIA [the Dulleses and the Paines go way back: Micahel Paine's mother was best friends with Dulles' mistress, Mary Bancroft) whose boss at Bell is Paine, is the helicopter used by the Army in Vietnam.

This is a small indication of how the plot worked and why it was implemented.

Tim Fleming

It is a deep, desperate and

It is a deep, desperate and pathetic shame that so many people want to believe in the impossible, merely that their fantasy of the relative honesty of the American Government will remain intact. Frequently one may read observations of a partisan sort, in which --for example-- "RePukes" are considered liars with purely selfish motives, while the Democrats are hailed as noble and honest. It seems that honesty is assumed in the party with which one has some sort of identification bias or other affiliation.

Deception and poker-faced lies are part and parcel of human acquisition and retention of power over fellow humans. I would assume most readers here encountered mean fellow children in elementary/grade school, children who in male gender are bullies or incorrigible liars, children who in female gender are catty manipulators or shameless deceivers. Why, then, would some of us assume these traits disappear as children become young adults, as young adults become full adults, as people age into middle and old age? Perhaps those who recall the sociopathic traits of fellow students simply assume that the sociopaths only become criminals of the blue-collar, violent sort, or petty thieves, or prostitutes, or con artists running 3-card Monte games in seedy bars and allies.

Why should anyone assume that education, wealth or privilege weed out sociopathy? More importantly, why should anyone assume that someone who rises to power in the most powerful nation on Earth would be noble, pure, and selfless in any sense?

Apparently it is shocking to many to contemplate that people would arrange for the death of John Kennedy, or that people would arrange for a false-flag operation to run airplanes into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, and into the ground in Pennsylvania. But to comprehend and understand the possibility more fully one need only read about the types of persons who commit serial crimes of the most violent sort.

Any nation that would create a need to invade Vietnam, and would send hundreds of thousands of its youth to die there, would easily have people in power who wouldn't think twice about killing a few thousand on 9/11/2001.

Doubters should pick up a copy of Robert Greene's The 48 Laws of Power, and read that book cover-to-cover, to learn more about the deceptive ways humans have behaved for centuries, even millennia, for the sake of acquiring and maintaining power over fellow humans.


The rifle was not a pc of crap even tho it was mil surplus like we could buy at Woolco just 30yrs ago with no paperwork.

As a lifelong shooter and ex-military I can tell you all that the "pink mist" shot in no way could have come from behind.

I suggest you search for James Files, I dont have the link, but there was an XP100 .221 Fireball cartridge found behind the GK fence, and everything said about that bolt action pistol, which I have handled at gun shows, all stands up.

A small varmint round with a lt weight bullet meant to explode on impact squares exactly with that segment of the Zapruder video, exactly what I would expect to see.

JMHO - & there is nothing beyond power's pale.

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