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Cascades Mall Shooter went from Hispanic Suspect to Arrested Zombie Turk

pennyforyourthoughts2 - 10 hours 20 min ago
What a great way to get Turkey on everybody's mind. People will automatically associate this alleged 'bad' shooter to that 'bad' nation state of Turkey. Perception management 101.
Btw: how many memes can you hit with one story?
-Terror at home
-Mall Shooting/Public Space Shooting

The Zombie Shooter news also broke on the week end- Cascade Shopping MallImage from Zombie Shooter video game....
A Washington State Patrol spokesman says police were seeking a Hispanic man wearing black and armed with a "hunting-type" rifle last seen walking toward Interstate 5.A gunman opened fire at the Cascade Mall in Burlington, Washington, Friday night, killing four females and a male before fleeing. Law enforcement staged a massive search over more than 20 hours for the suspect, initially described by witnesses as a young Hispanic male wearing black. 
A gunman opened fire at the Cascade Mall in Burlington, Washington, Friday night, killing four females and a male before fleeing. Law enforcement staged a massive search over more than 20 hours for the suspect.

He was amazingly taken alive and unarmed. More then 20 hours later? - Though, the shooter was initially identified as Hispanic, a legal, albeit zombified, Turkish immigrant is eventually arrested. And it was a car that tipped the police off!

10:02 p.m.

Authorities say the suspect in the deadly Washington state mall shooting said nothing when he was apprehended and was "zombie-like."

Island County Sheriff's Lt. Mike Hawley said he spotted 20-year-old Arcan Cetin Saturday evening in Oak Harbor, Washington, from a patrol car and immediately recognized him as the suspect. Initially the suspect was described as Hispanic, but Hawley said that was based on initial witness statements to the Friday night shooting at a mall in Burlington, Washington.  So, initially the suspect was described as Hispanic BUT the voice of authority clearly dismissive of  the initial witness statements, which apparently aren’t worth a dam , when you find some stumbling zombie dupe who can tie up the case quickly and make you look like a hero and give the impression you're doing a good job. While putting the Turkey meme out there for Americans-  Perfect.

Turkish immigrant arrested

 Police in Oak Harbour, Washington arrested the sole suspect in a shooting spree on Friday.

Following a 20-hour manhunt, police arrested Arcan Cetin, 20, a legal Turkish immigrant. Cetin will appear in court on Monday.

On Friday, Cetin killed four women and a man at a Macy’s store at the Cascade Mall in Burlington, a community 100km north of Seattle.

Little is known about the type of weapon he used or his mental health.
The key to his arrest was the identification of his car from CCTV footage.

"The key to his arrest was the identification of his car from CCTV footage"
Authorities were initially looking for a “Hispanic” man. The local sheriff was tipped when the car was seen in Oak Harbour.

He was not armed and did not resist arrest; police said he froze, “zombie-like.”

His motive is unknown.

Authorities are planning to execute a number of search warrants as they try to piece together the puzzle that led to the assault.I find several oddities in the story of the shooting
First: Dismissed actual identification of the perpetrator
Second: Alleged perp taken alive- meaning he's going to a prop for some contrived drama!
Third: Alleged perp taken alive and unarmed- 20 hours later
Fourth: Alleged perp in a zombified state- suggesting drugged up dupe,taken alive, to ensure that Turkey (nation state) get’s lots of negative press
Fifth: Identification was based on identification of a vehicle used, as opposed to identifying the actual person. Police are now ‘executing search warrants’ undoubtedly to create a back story- watch out for the claims that will be made!!

Earlier Today
24 hours ago
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Waging Financial Warfare Against Turkey- Downgraded to Junk Status

pennyforyourthoughts2 - 15 hours 18 min ago
This was in the news late last week: 
Couldn't get to it then, however, it's important and worth addressing now!

September 23/2016- Moody's Downgrades Turkey's Issuer and Bond Ratings

Credit ratings agency Moody’s Investor Service has downgraded Turkey’s sovereign credit rating to non-investment grade citing worries about the rule of law following an attempted coup, risks from external financing and a slowing economy.Turkey's GDP has been excellent compared to the US (no exact figure, but am certain it's poor) & Canada ( Canada: 2ndquarter:  - 1.6, yes that negative 1.6 )... So why did Moody's undertake this action against Turkey.  It's purely political!  Surprise!
“Despite all of the global and regional risks, the Turkish economy’s pace of growth is among the top five economies,” he said in a statement.

Gross domestic product slowed to 3.2% growth in the second quarter. Turkey may cut its official target for 4.5% GDP growth this year as the impact of the coup attempt takes its toll on the economy.
Moody’s downgraded Turkey to “junk status
Turkey has seen little outflow of funds following Moody's decision to cut its sovereign debt rating to "junk" and sees the possibility of such outflows as remote, Deputy Prime Minister Numan Kurtulmus said on Monday.

Kurtulmus, the main government spokesman, made the comment at a news conference following a cabinet meeting in the capital Ankara.Moody's late on Friday cut its rating on Turkey's sovereign debt to non-investment grade, citing concerns about the rule of law following a failed coup in July and risks from a slowing economy. Kurtulmus said the move was political motivated.Obviously the move was politically motived! Turkey is under attack on many levels, as stated here for so, so, so very long now!

Of course today Turkish Assets were hit in early trading
Turkish assets were hit in early trade on Monday, with the benchmark BIST 100 index falling more than 4 percent and the lira currency weakening.
 Financial warfare waged against a targeted nation! We've all seen this type of news previously!

In case you missed the UN show on Sunday:
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Russia at UNSC: US Decision To Reshape Middle East is the Original Cause of Syria's Suffering

pennyforyourthoughts2 - Sun, 09/25/2016 - 13:56

This statement is being cleaned up from the internet- RT headlined their article originally with this tidbit. However, RT has cleansed their news story and headline of this original attributed statement
 I cannot read the article from Fars- It comes up blank!

Above are the headlines as they originally were posted
First via
Second headline
Third is from Fars News Site- blank page

Can anyone help me to find this information? Please and thanks very much in advance
Yes, I am completely aware that the Internet is heavily censored and cleansed of inconvenient facts.
UPDATE!! Robert Browning found the headline and news- as it originated, so check it out!Thanks so much Mr Browning :)
Robert BrowningSeptember 25, 2016 at 4:04 PM
I'm going to attempt to view the UN meeting on line and gather some more info
Be back!

Ok, here I am!!

Interesting... You all can watch the UN security council meeting here
Mr Churkin speaks at 1 hour 2 minutes into the meeting

Of course,  earlier, I was watching it live. As it happened. Oddly enough, or perhaps not so odd at all, when Churkin began to speak- in Russian- I could not hear the interpreter at all! 
So muted was her audio that not a word could be heard or understood- And then after about 5 minutes of Vitaly Churkin speaking- suddenly, I could hear the interpreter and what was being stated by Mr Churkin! The problem was "corrected". Curiously, as Vitaly Churkin continued speaking, someone behind him informed him that the interpreter was 'unable to keep up' . That's a UN interpreter, unable to interpret? It seemed strange. Churkin paused.

I've taken the time to listen to Mr Churkin's actually wording and this is where the disappearing headline came from. Churkin's opening statement that had been obliterated by the muted interpeter/interpretation, while live. However you can hear it now! Yes, Churkin's statement was paraphrased in the headline, but the meaning of the headlines correlates exactly and correctly to Churkin's state:

Churkin verbatim to the best of my ability:

"This is the sixth year that the Syrian people have been experiencing the terrible tragedy"

"In 2011 Washington and some other western capitals decided to continue the geographical interference in the Middle East and North Africa ah, ah, that UK and US had kicked off with their illegal move into Iraq"

The interpreter is intentionally, IMO fudging Churkin's statement coming up

"And the Syrians (??) were supported their with many terrorists that were given weapons.

More ah, ah, ah. The uhm, uhm, downfall of the country was due to the fact that were many refugees.."

Clearly  Churkin is actually talking about Iraq- where this all began. He is talking about terrorists armed in Iraq when the country was destroyed by US/UK and Israel!

 Listen for yourself. This is a UN interpreter, a person whose job, is to interpret and there is way to much ah, ah, ah or uhm, uhm uhm passing off as interpretation.
That woman should be fired for incompetence or she did this intentionally!

Based on my years of writing this blog, it is abundantly clear,  Churkin is talking about the creation of ISIS and a whole pile of other terror groups including Kurdish terrorists (PKK) emanating from a destroyed Iraq.

More then two years ago I posted this two part expose here at the blog about the origins of ISIS (including Kurds) created out of the ashes of Iraq
 In 2011, it appeared to me I was the first/ lone blogger aware the destabilization of Syria had been kicked off ! 

March 24/2011:  Western backed Social Media "revolution" coming to Syria

AnonMarch 24, 2011 at 8:26 AMWell done. You seem to be the first person to have noticed what is going on in Syria.

- AangirfanReplyDeleteAnd over 1000 posts later covering Syria- I'm still here! -

Vitaly Churkin is stating that which is obvious and has been stated here for so darn long now that I'm sick of stating it! And very frustrated too...

Even worse then what is occuring in Syria, right now, is the reality is this is not just about Syria.  It's about the entire region: Sykes Picot redux. Israel 2.0 aka Kurdistan.

In fact  this is just one part of what is being inflicted on the planet:  It's about destroying Europe/ the Western World and the Middle East/Africa Destroying history & culture. 
Weaponized Refugee Movements. Destruction of families. It's all interconnected.
We should all be against this global gulag being created. Sadly too many of us are not. 
Syria is at the epicentre of this right now- Hence the focus and all the destruction- But it won't stop at Syria. Unless we wake up to reality and stop believing lies. 
Sorry for the rant, sometimes I just gotta vent!
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US & Lackies Demand UN Security Council Meeting 11:00 EST

pennyforyourthoughts2 - Sun, 09/25/2016 - 07:55
Consider this? 

 The UN Security Council Meeting as a 'sleight of hand' Trickery, deviousness
While the world watches the UN Security Council 'hand'- The NATO 'hand' is up to no good.
Keeping an eye on Syrian news as the meeting takes place ....

 I will be updating as new info becomes available!

President Bashar al-Assad’s troops have tightened their siege of Aleppo, after another 24 hours of intense bombardment that left dozens dead and nearly 2 million without water.
The United Nations security council is due to meet at 11am on Sunday to discuss the escalation of fighting in Aleppo, diplomats said, at the request of the US, Britain and France.   The attack has left US policy on Syria in disarray, with diplomats pursuing a halt in hostilities even as Assad’s forces on the ground ramped up fighting using Moscow’s air power as back-up. 
Policy in disarray means... 

-US thuggery will be exposed to all. (as if it wasn't obvious anyway)
-NATO special ops forces are in amongst the terror crowd. 
-"Heroic" Kurds who are present in Aleppo will be shown as the terrorist they are
-The push to remake the Middle East may be greatly impeded if not stopped entirely
- Undoubtedly Israelis are present in Aleppo and oh boy if some of them get caught there with terrorists.

For those of us who like peace and all it's benefit to the planet, none of those truths being known would be a bad thing :)

  Syrian troops were pressing their advantage and captured the Handarat camp for Palestinian refugees. Deserted, but strategically important, the camp is perched on elevated ground overlooking the key Castello road into besieged Aleppo.
Obviously I've little faith in reports from 'white hat' terrorists. Making most of the Guardian article rubbish save for the few facts posted above.

Can't verify this news item, wonder if it's correct?

UNSC to meet Syrian Prez as troops tighten grip on Aleppo
London [UK], Sept. 25 (ANI): The United Nations Security Council will today meet Syrian President Bashar al-Assad after his troops tightened their siege of Aleppo after another 24 hours of intense bombardment that left dozens dead and nearly two million without water. The meeting comes at the request of the United States, Britain and France, reports the Guardian. Assad to attend UN Security Council Meeting? 

Regarding an outing of the terrorists (mentioned above) - Sputnik  and a little nugget of interesting info:

"To add more fuel to the fire, the SAA is about to defeat a very suspicious Islamist group — Jund al-Aqsa — known to have earlier been supported by the US. Despite the group being relatively small, it possesses modern weapons and even surveillance drones. Jund al-Aqsa was designated as a terrorist entity by the US only four days ago.  In any event, the possible defeat of Jund al-Aqsa will shed the light on a wide range of questions, especially about the groups drones and the identity of the leader of the group operating under the alias Abu Abdul Aziz al-Qatari, Jund al- Aqsa- my first thought? Al Aqsa mosque/Jerusalem- Israel. Israel is all about the drones
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"Do You Know Who Killed My Baby?"

freedominourtime - Fri, 09/23/2016 - 22:02

“Do you know who killed my baby?”
That anguished question was wrested from the anguished soul of Carol Dodge as she spoke with a young girl named Destiny Osborne shortly after Carol’s 18-year-old daughter Angie was murdered in Idaho Falls in June, 1996.
With the police unable to identify any viable suspects, Carol – driven by an irrepressible maternal impulse to find and punish the person who had killed her daughter – pursued her own investigation. Over the past twenty years she has accumulated a library of evidence, most of which has been ignored by the police and the Bonneville County Prosecutor’s Office. 
It is because of Carol’s indefatigable efforts that we know that Christopher Tapp, the man who was convicted of that murder in May, 1998, didn’t commit that crime
Carol’s inquiry was only a few weeks old when one of her contacts arranged a meeting with Osborne. The high school-age girl, who was addicted to methamphetamine, had become acquainted with Tapp, a 20-year-old dropout who also had a drug problem. Osborne would later testify in court that she had attended a party where Tapp – along with two friends named Ben Hobbs and Jeremy Sargis – spoke openly about raping and killing Angie. At one point Tapp supposedly said, referring to Angie, “The bitch got blood all over my shirt.”
If Tapp had murdered Angie at such intimate range that his shirt was covered in the victim’s blood, his DNA would have been found on the clothes of the victim, and most likely under her fingernails. Tapp provided a DNA sample to the police, but the IFPD didn’t display any particular urgency in examining the physical evidence.
“They put Chris Tapp’s DNA sample in a refrigerator,” Carol told me. Following the arrest of Tapp’s friend Ben Hobbs on rape charges in Ely, Nevada, the IFPD brought in both Tapp and another friend named Jeremy Sargis in the hope of getting one or both of them to implicate Hobbs as the murderer.
“The police took Chris and Jeremy in separate rooms and interrogated them, and tried to play them off against each other,” Carol recalled. Sargis’s parents were people of means, and they arranged for their son to have adequate legal representation. 
Tapp’s family was in more straitened circumstances financially. Tragically, Chris was also more psychologically vulnerable than his friend: During one interrogation, Sargis had the presence of mind not only to tell IFPD investigator Jared Fuhriman that he had nothing to do with the murder, but to ridicule his interrogation methods. This had the delightful effect of triggering a meltdown on Fuhriman’s part, which was captured on video (starting at about 35:29). 
Fuhriman found Tapp to be more pliant than Sargis. After all, the officer had been grooming his potential victim for years: He was a school resource officer at Eagle Rock Junior High School when he met Tapp, and during Tapp’s abbreviated time at Skyline High School Fuhriman was his DARE instructor. 
One measure of the effectiveness of that program is found in the fact that Tapp graduated from DARE – and wound up with a drug conviction that took him into a rehab program that he finished shortly after Angie Dodge was murdered. This was not an unusual outcome for DARE indoctrination. Former Idaho DARE Coordinator Larry McGhee saw his oldest daughter Tracy become a heroin addict, even as he was tutoring other peoples’ children about the dangers of drugs
Jared Fuhriman, who went on to become Mayor of Idaho Falls, had a similar failure on the home front: About ten years ago, his then-19-year-old son Peyton was arrested in possession of marijuana paraphernalia he had found among his father’s effects. The mayor insisted that his collection of drug accessories was left over from his time as a DARE tutor. 
The mayor’s son was spared the full impact of the carceral state: His charge was negotiated down to a trivial misdemeanor, and he was given 18 months of probation with 90 days of “discretionary” jail time (only to be imposed in the event of a subsequent arrest). 
Educating children about the harmful effects of narcotics addiction is a worthy undertaking that is entirely peripheral to the purpose of DARE, which is to subvert parental authority, while cultivating in schoolchildren an unhealthy reverence for the State and its representatives. It also allows uniformed predators like Jared Fuhriman to start grooming future victims.  Chris and Vera Tapp. “Christopher would just keep saying, `Fuhriman is my friend, mom – he wouldn’t put my life in jeopardy, he wouldn’t lead me astray,” Vera Tapp told Pro Libertate. “He was just such a `good old boy’ with Christopher…. You can see it in the videos – `Oh, Christopher, we’re friends, we’re buddies,’ you know, laughing and joking around. And that’s just what he did when [Tapp]was in junior high. He [was] learning people’s trust and how to manipulate people. And that’s what he did – he manipulated Christopher.”
By early January 1997, Fuhriman and his superior, Detective Ken Brown, were aware that Tapp, along with his friends Hobbs and Sargis, had been eliminated as suspects by the DNA evidence. Hobbs was in custody in Ely, Nevada. Sargis had obtained legal representation and was thus protected from Fuhriman’s predatory intentions. Tapp was the one left without a chair when the music stopped.
The police didn’t have the competence to solve the murder; their skill-set was better suited to bullying a naïve and insecure young man into a false confession.
Following a particularly harrowing mind-rape session on January 16, 1997, Tapp arrived at his home “white as a sheet” and trembling.
“I said, `Christopher, this is a murder case; you don’t go down there without a lawyer,” Vera Tapp related to me. Still under the influence of his school-administered programming, Tapp remained convinced of Fuhriman’s benign intentions.
“He kept saying, `I know Mr. Fuhriman’ … and he was secure with him, because he’d known him since junior high,” Vera continued. “And he said, `We’re friends, mom.’”

Nearly 20 stolen birthdays: Tapp as a child. Understandably frantic over what the police were doing to her son, Vera adamantly insisted that Tapp refrain from speaking with them again without a lawyer in the room.The following morning, a Saturday, Fuhriman knocked on the door and demanded to know why Christopher hadn’t gone to the police station.
“He gave me his word,” the predator complained, cultivated insincerity suppurating from every syllable. Vera explained that under no circumstances would Chris be speaking to them again without a lawyer at his side.
An hour later, Chief Kent Livesey pounded on Vera’s door to demand that Chris accompany him to the station.
Vera told that things weren’t “going the way they were supposed to go, so we’re going to get a lawyer and we’ll see you Monday morning.”
“But Christopher gave me his word!” Livesey protested, as if the young man were morally required to surrender his rights. He also told Vera that “Christopher is up to his eyeballs in this” – which the Chief almost certainly knew was untrue. Unintimidated, Vera reiterated that her son would fulfill his promise to cooperate in the investigation – but only with a lawyer present.
Within a matter of hours, Chris was arrested on what the police knew was a spurious charge of “harboring a felon.” He has been in a cage ever since. A little more than a year later, Chris was found guilty of murder on the basis of his own spurious confession, supplemented by perjured testimony by Fuhriman and Destiny Osborne.
No responsible official in Bonneville County still believes that Tapp’s confession was valid. A report commissioned by the Bonneville County Prosecutor’s Office has conceded as much. During the September 20 hearing on Tapp’s most recent appeal, Deputy Prosecutor John Dewey contended that the defense had been unacceptably tardy in raising issues related to evidence that had been deliberately withheld from the defendant by his predecessors nearly twenty years ago. The most important omissions were excerpts of videotaped polygraph examinations of Tapp by Detective Steven Finn in which the officer threatens the victim with the death penalty, then manipulates him into a confession that doesn’t comport with the physical evidence. Dewey cheat justice, and how? According to Dewey, the tapes were probably “in a defense file somewhere, in the original defense file.” In support of that claim he offered several affidavits from IFPD officers solemnly attesting that it the department carefully logged and tracked critical evidence. Presumably, this would include the confiscated drug paraphernalia that somehow wound up in a box in Jared Fuhriman’s home, and some of which was later found in the possession of his 19-year-old son.
By way of a riposte to Dewey’s claim, Tapp’s appellate attorney, John Thomas, offered “two words: Kimball Mason.”
At about the same time Peyton Fuhriman was playing with evidence that was improperly stored among his father’s effects, Mason, the former Idaho Falls city prosecutor, was being prosecuted for stealing 30 guns from the IFPD’s evidence room. Two of them materialized in the hands of former IFPD Officer Todd Ericsson, who had been a supervisor of detectives at the department prior to his retirement in 2003. He has since gone on to be a contractor for the State Department and Pentagon in the Middle East, Africa, Central Asia, and the Balkans, helping to cultivate the next generation of future foreign adversaries.
The grotesque incompetence of the IFPD regarding the security of its evidence room prompted Chief Livesey to request an outside audit by Dan Bullock, a retired San Jose Police Chief. Contrary to the solemn assertions in the affidavits filed this week in the Chris Tapp case, Bullock found that Property Office Manager Zuella Nelson was not certified for her position, that the department did not have a complete manual on evidence handling, and was lackadaisical in conducting internal reviews and audits.
If the prosecution had turned over the critical video records to Chris Tapp’s defense team in 1998, this would be a matter of record in the court’s evidence registry. It isn’t. The argument offered by Deputy Prosecutor Dewey and the IFPD is self-nullifying. In essence, they are saying: “Why should we be held responsible for sloppy record-keeping? If the defense can’t prove we didn’t turn over the critical videotapes, that’s on them.” 

He's not in jail: Former IFPD Det. Ericsson (l.). The only reason those critical recordings were discovered was the tenacity of Carol Dodge, who forced herself to sit through the interrogations of the man she had once believed to be responsible for murdering her baby. After immersing herself in this relentlessly unpleasant task, she realized that Tapp had been coerced and manipulated into a false confession– and reached out to the Innocence Project, Judges for Justice, and the media to share what she had found.
From the beginning, the IFPD has treated Carol with disdain and hostility.
“They initially focused on our immediate family as suspects in the murder,” Carol told Pro Libertate. “Every time I talked to the police, the lead detective would tell me, `Carol, you better brace yourself, because when the DNA results come back it’s going to be very bad.’”
Angie’s relatives were quickly disqualified by the tests, which left the police with no suspects – or, at least, without any they were willing to pursue. Hobbs went on to serve a prison term in Nevada for raping a woman at knife-point – but he had nothing to do with Angie’s murder. So the IFPD weaponized the confidence Fuhriman had cultivated in Chris Tapp and “closed” the case by framing an innocent man.

As mothers who have lost children to acts of violence – rape and murder in one case, mind-rape, kidnapping, and decades of unjust incarceration in another -- Carol Dodge and Vera have become friends.

“She’s lost her daughter, and they won’t do [anything] about it,” Vera told me, referring to Carol and the contemptuous disregard to her displayed by the IFPD and Bonneville County Prosecutor’s Office. “And they should bend over backwards for this lady because she’s done all the work for them. She’s beat the bushes.”
No glory accrues to the State or its agents when an innocent man is acquitted of a crime, or when an unjustly convicted man is set free. Everybody involved in the wrongful conviction of Chris Tapp knows he is innocent, and that they have committed a horrible – and ongoing – crime against the rule of law and human decency. 
At present, the only way some semblance of justice can occur would be for Judge Stephens to decide that truth, honor, and the rights of a deeply wronged individual are worthier than the prestige of the State and the reputation of its servants. Given the pervasive and formidably entrenched corruption that prevails in Bonneville County, that outcome is profoundly unlikely.

This week's Freedom Zealot Podcast takes a deep dive into the feculent ocean of corruption called the Bonneville County, Idaho "justice" system:

Dum spiro, pugno!
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The US Delivers Plane Loads of Weapons to Kurdish Proxy Terror Army- Displacing Christians

pennyforyourthoughts2 - Fri, 09/23/2016 - 08:01
Recall the post from earlier this week? A Turn for The Worse: Obama "Considers" Arming Syrian Kurds to Fight ISIS 

As I had suspected, if the media was mentioning this news as something being "considered", this was a done deal!

Sputnik: Plane Loads of Arms delivered to Kurds in Annexed Syrian Territory

Sputnik fudged the  quote! Intentional or accidental I don't know? They are quoting Andalou.
I have Andolou (AA)  linked below and clearly Erdogan stated two plane loads
"Three days ago three aircraft with US armaments for Syrian Kurds' forces landed in the Syrian Kobani," Erdogan said Reuters: US Sent Weapons To Kurdish Fighters In Syria

Erdogan raised the issue in New York with Joe Biden:

 "Three days ago America dropped two plane loads of weapons in Kobani for these terror groups," he said, adding he had raised the issue on Wednesday with U.S. Vice President Joe Biden who he said had no knowledge of this.
“Three days ago, America landed two planes loaded with weapons. Where? In Kobani. For whom? For the PYD and YPG,” Erdogan said, referring to a Syrian city within sight of Turkey’s southern border.“A very serious mistake is being committed before the world’s eyes,” he added.Erdogan went on to slam the rationalization that the PYD and YPG are being armed since they are fighting Daesh.“Now, Al-Nusra is a terror organization. Al-Nusra in the same way is fighting Daesh. If those who fight Daesh are not terrorists then Al-Nusra too, is not terrorist.” Erdogan said that PYD and YPG are affiliates of the PKK terrorist organization that is fighting Turkey. “They are together. They are the same,” he said.
Regarding Raqqa:

Raqqa is Islamic State's stronghold in Syria.
But Erdogan spokesman Ibrahim Kalin on Thursday ruled out the possibility of Turkey joining an operation by coalition forces against Islamic State in Raqqa if the YPG also takes Kurdish fighters also take part. Additional commentary from earlier this week went like this!

-The US is looking to increase the war making.
-The US is looking to increase tensions with Turkey
-The US wants to assist the Kurds because together they are redrawing the borders of the middle east & asia
- Destroying existing nation states- causing the refugee crisis which is globally destabilizing and culturally destructive.
And Israel is looking at this destruction and expansion as their win/win- Because Arabs and Christians have been decimated in this action- Which pleases Israel to no end! Yes, Christians have been decimated in this action! 
 Before posting this information here, it was posted at Syrian Perspective in a comment.
Here's is what I said:
I'll be posting this at my blog- Syper's are getting the first peek at this news
For the Kurdish/Israel disinfo persons at Syper-- and for those who don't get what is and has been going on. This is where the Kurds and ISIS and Israel are all on the same page. The expulsion of christians!
Kurds ‘expel Christians’ in Hassaka
"Christians are being targeted as Kurdish militia assert their control in Syria’s north-eastern city of Hassaka, a senior local Christian leader has said.
*"Whenever the Kurdish militia enter in action to reaffirm its military hegemony over the city, the epicentre of their raids and acts of force is always the area of the six churches, where most of the Christians live,"" Agenzia Fides this week quoted Syriac Catholic Archbishop Jacques Behnan Hindo saying.
*"In many cases they expelled the Christians from their homes under the threat of Kalashnikovs. And where they enter, they loot everything,"" Hindo added, noting he had himself narrowly escaped a bullet to the head when shots were fired through his window.
Back in June, Syriac Orthodox Patriarch Ignatius Aphrem II escaped an attack during the celebration of Pentecost in Qamishli, a town an hour and half drive northeast of Hassaka in an area largely controlled by Kurds.
The UN estimates that of the 1.8 million Christians living in Syria before the war, only 600,000 – 900,000 remain" Is it any wonder that I am appalled at the actions of the Kurdish militias PKK/YPG/TAK it all the same?
What I wonder is why so many cheer the behaviour of these thugs as they displace Christians from their long inhabited lands
The Kurds are as bad as ISIS and on par with Israel- Since I don't cheer for ISIS or Israel as they harm, displace and kill persons how the heck can I cheer on the same type of thuggish behaviour by the kurds
I'll requote
"Whenever the Kurdish militia enter in action to reaffirm its military hegemony over the city, the epicentre of their raids and acts of force is always the area of the six churches, where most of the Christians live"
"In many cases they expelled the Christians from their homes under the threat of Kalashnikovs. And where they enter, they loot everything"
Same as ISIS. Just like Israel- They all have a hatred of christians in common

Read more at Just think what will happen to these undesirables and many others now that the US has delivered plane loads of weapons to these Kurdish extremists!

From earlier today:  
Turkey, Russia Discuss Deal To Coordinate Flights Over SyriaIf Turkey and Russia cooperate on airspace... ?????It will certainly get the US up in arms- but it is sensible they avoid any dangerous situations
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Turkey, Russia Discuss Deal To Coordinate Flights Over Syria

pennyforyourthoughts2 - Fri, 09/23/2016 - 04:47
Turkey and Russia have been discussing the creation of a protocol to coordinate the flights of their warplanes over Syrian airspace in a bid to prevent unwanted incidents like the downing of a Russian jet by Turkish Air Forces on Nov. 24, 2015, a senior Turkish military source has said.
While drafting the protocol, the two sides also agreed on a "gentleman's agreement" to prevent the two sides' warplanes from entering into areas where the other side is conducting military operations. The decision to work to coordinate military flights over Syria was taken during a meeting of the respective Russian and Turkish chiefs of General Staff, Gen. Valery Gerasimov and Gen. Hulusi Akar, on Sept. 15 in AnkaraThe September 15th meeting was mentioned previously here:  Israel/Syria/Lebanon Border, Heating Up! Israel Evacuation Exercises, US Ceasefire Obligations Fail

 Chief of General Staff Gen. Hulusi Akar will meet Gen. Valery Gerasimov to discuss Syria and also to talk about military cooperation, a spokesman said. The two top soldiers approved the establishment of a hotline between the two air forces in a bid to prevent accidents or unwanted incidents.  "Work to accomplish the protocol continues at the highest level" the senior military source told daily Hürriyet on the condition of anonymity on Thursday. If signed, the protocol will mark an important step in developing the military-to-military relationship and coordination between Turkey and Russia in Syria. The need to make a protocol to coordinate flights in Syria with Russia became urgent after the Turkish army launched the Operation Euphrates Shield on Aug. 24 in a bid to remove Daesh from its border. "We have carried out 97 sorties against Daesh positions as part of the Operation Euphrates Shield" the source said.I'll be following this news, that's for sure!

One big benefit to this agreement- If it advances... It's going to be harder for certain interested parties to create a false flag.

Like shooting down a Russian plane and  blaming Turkey? Oh wait, that already happened! Once bitten, twice shy?
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Syrian No Fly Zone: Kerry makes the Call. Germany Seconds.

pennyforyourthoughts2 - Thu, 09/22/2016 - 10:50
Kerry makes the call at the UN

Video available:  45 minutes long- Lavrov speaks first. Kerry follows.

Germany follows it up:

 Steinmeier urged to introduce no-fly zone over Syria for 3-7 days

German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier urged to introduce no-fly zone over Syria for 3-7 days, TASS reported quoting Foreign Minister of Germany. He said that the situation in Syria was on a knife-edge. The truce was only possible in the case of ban on military flights over Syria at least for three and preferably for seven days. Obviously, Russia opposes a no fly zone

Undoubtedly Syria is not on board with this!
"There are talks again, including at a very high level, of enforcing a no-fly zone over Syria to stabilize the situation. This solution is completely unacceptable to us. We saw what such measures led to in other parts of the world,' Ryabkov told RIA Novosti news agency.Kerry's wanted only Syria and Russian planes to be groundedGermany wants all planes to be grounded  Earlier today:US Issues Starbucks/Turkey,Terror Warning. Starbucks PR?Less then 24 hours ago: A Turn for The Worse: Obama "Considers" Arming Syrian Kurds to Fight ISIS
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US Issues Starbucks/Turkey,Terror Warning. Starbucks PR?

pennyforyourthoughts2 - Thu, 09/22/2016 - 07:40
Seriously, avoid Starbucks in Turkey. Specifically in Gaziantiep near Turkish/Syrian border

No such thing as bad PR!
- The United States has warned its citizens to avoid Starbucks coffee shops and other businesses catering to Westerners in the Turkish city of Gaziantep, near the border with Syria.In a security warning sent to U.S. citizens Thursday, the U.S. Embassy said Turkish police were investigating a "terror cell" in Gaziantep that could be targeting "shopping centers, Starbucks, Big Chef Restaurants" and other businesses in the city.The warning did not specify the organization that is under investigation.
 US warns of 'Starbucks attack risk' in south Turkey

The United States has warned of the risk of a terror attack in the southern Turkish city of Gaziantep close to the Syrian border on businesses frequented by Westerners, including the popular coffee chain Starbucks.
The US embassy in Ankara said in a message to citizens that there are reports of a police investigation into a "terror cell" in Gaziantep, which in August was hit by a deadly suicide bombing on a wedding blamed on Islamic State (IS) jihadists.
It said the information suggests the jihadists are "possibly targeting" shopping centres, Starbucks, the popular upscale Turkish restaurant chain Big Chef or other businesses frequented by Western customers.
Starbucks CEO Howard Schultz 

 In 1998, Schultz was awarded the "Israel 50th Anniversary Tribute Award" from the Jerusalem Fund of Aish Ha-Torah for "playing a key role in promoting a close alliance between the United States and Israel".[26][27Close alliance between Israel and the US? And, the US cites Starbucks specifically?
If there is a terror attack at the Starbucks, surely the coffee chain can expect a huge jump in pity coffee sales from outraged 'anti-terror coffee consumers...If there is a terror attack how can it be spun?

Should be interesting!
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A Turn for The Worse: Obama "Considers" Arming Syrian Kurds to Fight ISIS

pennyforyourthoughts2 - Wed, 09/21/2016 - 14:45
 1- Thought the Kurds had already been fighting ISIS and were in fact the 'fiercest fighters' against ISIS?? Still, all this time later........ ISIS exists. 
*As the commonly presented 'to be feared enemy'
*And the obfuscation by US/NATO/Israel to remake the region

2- The NYT's  headline presents this as if this is some new or unique plan Obama is considering.
It is neither new nor unique, as readers here already know. If you don't, have no fear, I'll refresh!

US Airdrops Weapons to Kurdish Militias in Northern Syria: Kurds & War Crimes!
 In a major boost for forces fighting Islamic State extremists in Syria but likely to stir controversy with NATO ally Turkey, the United States on Monday began airdropping pallets of weapons and ammunition to a Syrian Kurdish militia. “They started dropping the arms in Rojava early this morning,” said Polat Can, the spokesman for the Democratic Union Party (PYD)US Airdrops Tons & Tons of Munitions into Northern Syria- For the “good” terroristsUnconfirmed but interesting and quite plausiblePUKmedia: YPG will receive 120ton of weapons&ammo fr US within 24h. Not confirmed by YPG yet.  Silent Soldier/2015-"The 50 tons of supplies were airdropped into Al-Hasakah province, home to Syrian Kurds, Arabs and a minority Assyrian community"Bloomberg: US Arms Drop Ends Up Arming the Kurds

U.S. Drops Weapons to Kurds Defending Kobani
 They were dropped by three American C-130 aircraft, which met no resistance from the air or ground, a second administration official said. NYT's reported weapons drops in 2014 also
 “There was an urgent need to resupply,” a senior Obama administration official said in a hastily organized conference call Sunday night. “This was the quickest way to get the job done.”Clearly there have been multi ton airdrops to the Kurds in Northern Syria already
- Never mind that which is delivered with via the Americans at the bases they've built in annexed Syrian territory
-Never mind the weapons that flow freely between Iraq and Syria via the PKK, via land routes

Considering known facts, how is it we are supposed to believe the US is just now planning to directly arm Syrian Kurdish fighters? Obviously we cannot believe this claim.That said it is very clear the US is sending  more arms to northern Syria with the intention of increasing  the level of warfare ongoing in Syria. Including upping the ante with Turkey!

I understand some readers here think the US hasn't already betrayed Turkey- but the US has.
 And they did long before the coup.  All those air drops to the Syrian Kurds were the equivalent of knives into the nation of Turkey... It's going to get much worse.

The NYT's mentions the problems the US is having with Turkey.

WASHINGTON — The Obama administration is weighing a military plan to directly arm Syrian Kurdish fighters combating the Islamic State, a major policy shift that could speed up the offensive against the terrorist group but also sharply escalate tensions between Turkey and the United States. Oh, yes it will escalate the tensions.  Which tells us tension is already present. And clearly the US wants to escalate that tension. As they did with the previous airdrops. And the coup. Aiding and abetting the PKK in Turkey.

Could these be the fierce "ISIS" fighters pictured below?

Kurdish Y.P.G. fighters last year during a battle for Tel Tamer, Syria, at their combat outpost on the outskirts of the city. Credit Mauricio Lima for The New York Times
Sure they could! 

NYT's continues....

The plan has been under discussion by the National Security Council staff at a moment when President Obama has directed aides to examine all proposals that could accelerate the fight against the Islamic State, also known as ISIS or ISIL. Mr. Obama has told aides that he wants an offensive well underway before he leaves office that is aimed at routing the Islamic State from Raqqa, the group’s de facto capital in northern Syria.

Deciding whether to arm the Syrian Kurds is a difficult decision for Mr. Obama, who is caught in the middle trying to balance the territorial and political ambitions of Turkey and the Syrian Kurds, two warring American allies that Washington needs to combat the Islamic insurgency.Directly providing weapons for the first time to the Syrian Kurds, whom American commanders view as their most effective ground partner against the Islamic State, (Meme)  would help build momentum for the assault on Raqqa. But arming them would also aggravate Mr. Obama’s already tense relations with Turkey’s president, Recep Tayyip Erdogan. The United States and Turkey sharply disagree over Syria’s Kurdish militias, which Turkey sees as its main enemy in Syria.The plan has filtered up through the Pentagon’s Central Command, which oversees American military operations in the Middle East. It calls for providing the Syrian Kurds with small arms and ammunition, and some other supplies, for specific missions, but no heavy weapons such as antitank or antiaircraft weapons.American officials note that the proposal has not yet been presented at the administration’s highest levels for decision. White House officials declined to comment on it.

The review of the military plan comes as American commanders fear that their timetable to take Raqqa was set back after Turkey recently plunged into Syria with ground forces for the first time. 'American commanders fear that their timetable to take Raqqa was set back after Turkey recently plunged into Syria with ground force"
The Turkish offensive cut off a crucial Islamic State supply route but also rolled back the territorial gains of Kurdish militias, who despite help on the ground from American Special Operations advisers have criticized the United States for allying with Turkey." rolled back the territorial gains of Kurdish militias" Territorial gains at the expense of Syria!
American commanders view the plan to arm the Syrian Kurds, whose population straddles the border with Turkey, as an incentive to keep them on board for the fight against the Islamic State. Asked if the recent volatile military and political situation around the Syrian-Turkish border had slowed the pace for taking Raqqa, Gen. Joseph L. Votel, the head of Central Command, said last week that it might have.“We don’t necessarily control the timeline ourselves,” General Votel told a security conference here sponsored by the Institute for the Study of War.Associates of General Votel say he has expressed much greater concern in private over maintaining momentum in the fight against the Islamic State, especially if the Syrian Kurds and Turkey continue to clash with each other.General Votel said last week, “We have to play a leadership role on both sides” — Turks and Kurds — “and keep focus on the mission to defeat ISIS.”In the past two years the Pentagon has provided small arms, ammunition and other supplies to a group acceptable to Turkey — the Syrian Arabs, a minority in the Kurdish-dominated umbrella group that is fighting the Islamic State. About 350 resupply deliveries have been made by air or by land to the Syrian Arab militias, according to the American military command in Iraq.But out of deference to Turkey, the United States has not directly armed the Kurdish fighters themselves. (LIE!! - see all linked articles and previous posts that open this one)Many analysts say the Pentagon’s support to the Syrian Arabs is basically cover for aid to the Syrian Kurds, who call the shots in the wider alliance, coordinate airstrikes with the United States, and are considered the most capable fighters. But arming the Kurds directly, even for just specific missions, would still be a significant shift practically and symbolically.-The US is looking to increase the war making.
-The US is looking to increase tensions with Turkey
-The US wants to assist the Kurds because together they are redrawing the borders of the middle east & asia
- Destroying existing nation states- causing the refugee crisis which is globally destabilizing and culturally destructive.
And Israel is looking at this destruction and expansion as their win/win- Because Arabs and Christians have been decimated in this action- Which pleases Israel to no end!

One last video, available at the link below:

 Obama, Netanyahu: US and Israel Have 'Unbreakable' Bond

 Speaking after a closed door meeting, President Obama and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu say the bound between U.S. and Israel is "unbreakable."An unbreakable bond of massive destruction and ethnic cleansing. Yup!

From earlier today:
Russia Called US Twice To Stop US Airstrikes on SAA
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Russia Called US Twice To Stop US Airstrikes on SAA

pennyforyourthoughts2 - Wed, 09/21/2016 - 06:38
Of course... it's was just incompetence. Bumbling on the American part. Nothing nefarious at all.
No one at the operation center would have intentionally played stupid so that the American armada could continue it's attack on SAA? Frustrating the person attempting to stave off the devastating strikes. This poor sod just couldn't figure out what the Russian officer was going on about-

Hopefully not one soul who reads here will believe yet another lie. Lies. Liars lying. Liars contradicting lies of other liars.... 
On Saturday, about 30 minutes (was it 20 minutes maybe?) after precision bombs from an armada of American, British, Danish, and Australian warplanes began smashing into a large group of Islamic State fighters gathered near Deir el-Zour, Syria, the phone rang.
But there was a problem. No one at the operations center for the U.S.-led coalition could figure out what the Russian officer on the other end of the line was on about. (Really? I don't believe that. Do you?) So he hung up, and called back.
By time the Russian officer found his designated contact — who was away from his desk — and explained that the coalition was actually hitting a Syrian army unit, “a good amount of strikes” had already taken place, U.S. Central Command spokesman Col. John Thomas told reporters at the Pentagon Tuesday. U.S. commanders called off the strike within minutes, but the damage had been done. The incident Saturday killed an estimated 60 Syrian soldiers (actually 80plus) in what was the coalition’s first inadvertent attack on Syrian troops in the two-year air war. But it came at a tense time, as the week-long ceasefire brokered by the United States and Russia was less than 48 hours from completion. Then all hell broke loose. During those 48 hours, the Russian foreign ministry accused the Pentagon of providing direct support for ISIS; the Syrian military broke the ceasefire; barrel bombs began falling again on Aleppo; and Syrian, and possibly Russian, aircraft obliterated a U.N. aid convoy near Aleppo, killing 12 aid workers and destroying about 20 trucks. The United States had been planning the strike for two to three days, with the target under surveillance during that time, Thomas said Tuesday. Some reports have emerged that the Syrians weren’t wearing uniforms, and weren’t in the place that the coalition expected them to be, but defense officials wouldn’t comment on the particulars.
The U.S. military is now investigating the strike on the Syrian troops, and there is no timeline for its conclusion, U.S. defense officials said.  Lies contradicting previous lies with new lies added:
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US "believes" Russia Bombed Aid Convoy: Russia Releases Video & Report

pennyforyourthoughts2 - Tue, 09/20/2016 - 15:14
And the US wants you to 'believe' that too.
I'll highlight some interesting bits for readers
For those keeping track of lies: Kerry's  Russia blame/claim now directly contradicts the  blaim/claim of the "white hats" stooge, who said it was the 'regime' These liars can't even keep all their lies straight!!

U.S. intelligence agencies believe that Russian aircraft conducted the strike that targeted a humanitarian aid convoy in northern Syria on Monday, according to U.S. officials.

Secretary of State John Kerry initially had suggested that Syrian aircraft were responsible for the strikes on the U.N. convoy, which killed at least 12 people. U.S. officials said new intelligence indicates that Russian forces, rather than the Syrians, conducted the strike.Kerry was wrong, but, he's right now? Or so he believes. So you should believe him too

U.S. officials said the Russian and Syrian governments had been notified in advance to the presence of the 31-truck convoy to ensure it wouldn’t be bombed by their forces in the area.

“There was coordination ahead of time with the Russians,” a U.S. official said.

White House officials declined to comment on the new intelligence.

The U.S. assertion runs counter to public statements by Moscow and Damascus, which both denied involvement in the strike on the aid convoy.

The attack on the convoy threw into new doubt prospects for reviving a cease-fire brokered by Mr. Kerry and his Russian counterpart, Sergei Lavrov, earlier this month.The bombing of the convoy also stoked doubts within the Obama administration that it can trust Moscow to meet its obligations under the cease-fire deal, U.S. officials said.

In its statement on Tuesday, the Russian military said the aid convoy was observed by unmanned aircraft passing through territory controlled by the rebels.

After the aid was safely delivered at 1:40 p.m. local time, the Russian center monitoring the warring sides in Syria stopped tracking the convoy, the statement added.

“Any further information on the whereabouts of the convoy was known only to the militants controlling these areas,” it said.So the aid was delivered at 1:40 pm local time? Making these empty trucks. 

Russia’s military also sought to discount the account of activists who presented video evidence of the attack.

The Russian military said it observed “no signs” the convoy had been struck by munitions and said that surrounding vehicles and buildings didn’t show the characteristic blast effects from an airstrike.

The Russian military on Tuesday evening also released what it claimed was drone footage of a pickup truck carrying a heavy mortar and driving past the humanitarian convoy. Russia released this video and report
 Russia denied the allegations, citing the destruction levels of the affected vehicles.
“There are no craters, while the vehicles have their chassis intact and they have not been severely damaged, which would have been the case from an airstrike,” Konashenkov said.
On Tuesday, the UN also retreated from its claims that the convoy was hit by military planes.
"We are not in a position to determine whether these were in fact airstrikes. We are in a position to say that the convoy was attacked," UN humanitarian spokesman Jens Laerke said.
Video footage provided by the "white hats" here:

  I didn't need Russia's report to figure out there were no airstrikes. Tit for tat
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Syria’s Failing Cease-Fire, and Vladimir Putin’s Opening

pennyforyourthoughts2 - Tue, 09/20/2016 - 11:24
 A Kremlin spokesman said Tuesday that the likelihood of restoring the cease-fire the U.S. and Russia recently negotiated is “very slim.”

Even before as many as 21 people were killed in the strikes on the humanitarian-aid convoy Monday, the Assad regime had said the cease-fire recently negotiated by Secretary of State John Kerry and Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov was over. It had been holding only tenuously at best.

Mr. Putin seems to have seen an opportunity after U.S. and coalition airstrikes over the weekend mistakenly killed at least 62 Syrian government soldiers and wounded a hundred other people–instead of hitting intended Islamic State targets in the Deir Ezzour area in northeastern Syria. Russia had said on Friday that Washington’s inability to control regime opponents was derailing the cease-fire. In the wake of the errant airstrike, Moscow called for emergency consultations at the U.N. Security Council, which led to unusually harsh statements from U.S. and Russian officials. Moscow accused Washington not only of criminal negligence but also of supporting ISIS. The Assad regime, eager to build on this conspiracy theory, echoed the charge.It's always a conspiracy theory, unless put forth by the state and/or promoted by the media.
That said, since ISIS & the US both wish to destroy Syria and overthrow it's government they do support one another- Via promotion of the same agenda and that is not conspiracy theory- it is conspiratorial ( two or more parties cooperating or colluding) fact!

Moscow and Damascus have treated this incident as effective permission to ignore their commitments under the cease-fire agreement. Mr. Kerry has said that Syrian forces were “evidently” responsible for the strikes that hit the U.N. aid convoy west of Aleppo on Monday. The Assad regime had already struck Aleppo on Sunday.Earlier today: 

An "Airstrike"on the UN Humanitarian Convoy in Syria- Not Bloody Likely!The US blatantly ended the ceasefire
Of all the parties to the cease-fire deal, the only one showing any urgency toward changing the status quo is the U.S.Well that's true- They didn't want to sign the ceasefire agreement and they sure didn't want to seperate the moderates from the radical terrorists- because they couldn't! They were never going to! Since there are no moderates! Plus it would out Kurdish involvement!
The U.S. had made errors in military strikes before, and the Syrian battlefield remains messy and complex: Had the cease-fire held, the next step would have been joint U.S.-Russian targeting of ISIS fighters and groups aligned with the al-Qaeda affiliate formerly known as the Nusra Front (now Fatah al-Sham). Mixed among the radical Islamists are rebels of a less extreme orientation. These groups have been warned but may not separate themselves from Fatah al-Sham because they view it as an effective military ally against the Assad regime.
 The strike on Syrian army was no mistake- it was intentional to end the ceasefire- The US was the sole beneficiary of the non separation of moderates from extremists- There can be no separation because they aren't separate- the ceasefire agreement put the US on the spot!

Lavrov: Russia Hopes No One In US Trying To Shield TerroristsRussia’s history of disregard for civilian casualties ( ????) means that the U.S.–now linked to joint military operations with Moscow–would bear responsibility and blame for the deaths of non-combatants.Because the US never, ever, anytime anywhere targets civilians- Nor sireeeee....
Mr. Putin has invested heavily in fortifying the Assad regime and projecting military power in Syria. His success has left President Barack Obama little choice but to move toward Russia’s position–shifting U.S. focus away from aggressive steps to remove Mr. Assad from power and toward possible joint military action against a common enemy, Islamist extremists–if Washington is to succeed at reducing the violence in Syria. Mr. Obama needs Russia, and its resources in Syria, on board to stabilize Syria even somewhat before the end of his presidency. But Mr. Putin’s refusal to restrain Mr. Assad and Russia’s combative attacks show that he doesn’t feel that he needs Mr. Obama. So you see it's all Syria's fault. And Russia is guilty by association. And the US is a poor victim nation being brought along for the ride.....

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Updated! "Airstrike"on the UN Humanitarian Convoy in Syria- Not Bloody Likely!

pennyforyourthoughts2 - Tue, 09/20/2016 - 07:03
Alleged? Yup! I can't even conclude this actually happened.

So, there is my first question: Did this attack take place at all?

The US immediately and I mean immediately began spinning 'airstrikes' by either Syrian or Russian airforces- The US gov is a fabulously, notorious liar!

US ‘outraged’ after air strike hits aid convoy in Syria

 "Syrian or Russian aircraft struck an aid convoy killing 12 people, according to a the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights" Secondly, when reading this news yesterday I was struck by the claim that it was either Syrian or Russian aircraft?  Well, which was it?

 Third issue.....The report came from SOHR. SOHR is not the most reliable source. Their information would only ever be used here at the blog, and has been used,  if the claims SOHR is making or putting forward lines up with multiple other sources.
In the case of the  airstrike- The claims are not lining up!!!

Naming Perpetrator of Attack on Aleppo Aid Convoy Premature - UN
The United Nations notified Russia and the United States of the attack on a humanitarian aid convoy in Syria, and expects an investigation, a spokesman of the United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA) said Tuesday, naming the perpetrator of the attack was premature.Gosh, if it was Russia or Syrian airstrikes why would the UN contact the US and not name the perpetrator?

The next paragraph should make it a bit clearer

 On Monday, the OCHA said that the aid convoy crossed the conflict line in the Big Orem area of the Syrian city of Aleppo. Later in the day, UN officials stated that the convoy had been shelled and there were casualties.The convoy was shelled.
 "They are fully aware of what has happened… We are still trying to establish exactly what happened. Both sides have influence on those who have access to these kinds of weapons so we are giving that information to them"
Possibly by US backed rebels which excludes an airstrike (unless US planes/drones were involved) - hence the notification of the US by the UN - It really does appear, if anything at all occurred, it was not via airstrikes.
 According to Laerke, both the Damascus forces and the opposition groups were aware of the fact that the convoy would attempt to deliver aid, and had given permission for it to do so. Both forces were aware of the delivery... so who would have shelled the convoy?

IFRC Says Unaware of Who Attacked Aid Convoy: 
 On Monday, the United Nations’ Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA) said that the aid convoy crossed the conflict line in the Big Orem area of the Syrian city of Aleppo. Later in the day, UN officials stated that the convoy had been shelled and there were casualties.
"We do not know exactly whom that attack came from. It is not possible for us to know so quickly after the event what the source of the attack was or who was directly involve but what we do know whenever the convoy moves all relevant Military authorities are informed after movement together with the exact plan of what is going to happen," the official said.
As of right now it's doubtful there were any airstrikes.
I'm not even sure there were casualties! Notice who is validating claims of casualties

Oh look two props in one image- White Helmet/Tshirt (branding) & UN Logo!
Wonder what is written/printed below the UN Logo (more branding)
 Fox News
Rami Abdurrahman of the Britain-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, which tracks the civil war, and Aleppo-based activist Bahaa al-Halaby both said the attack killed 12 people.SOHR claims airstrikes and casualties
Among the victims was Omar Barakat who headed the Red Crescent in the town where the attack occurred, they said. The Syrian Civil Defense, the volunteer first responder group also known as the White Helmets, confirmed that casualty figure.
The convoy, part of a routine interagency dispatch operated by the Syrian Red Crescent, was hit in rural western Aleppo province. The White Helmets first responder group posted images of a number of vehicles on fire and a video of the attack showed huge balls of fire in a pitch black area, as ambulances arrive on the scene.And the White Helmets post images/videos on line and validate casualty claims:


Pardon me for not buying this psyop as presented with airstrikes, fireballs and mass casualties.  
This whole scenario positively reeks of a US backed rebel attack on the convoy. With a propaganda campaign at ready to promote a bogus narrative. To blame frame Russia and or Syria and obfuscate/hide the intentional US/NATO hit/ killing of 80 plus SAA in an egregious criminal act!Kremlin says Russian military checking reports of Syria aid convoy strikes

  • 17:11 GMTUN backtracks on claims its aid convoy in Syria was bombedThe United Nations has reversed allegations that its aid convoy in Syria, which was attacked on Monday, was the target of an airstrike. "We are not in a position to determine whether these were in fact airstrikes. We are in a position to say that the convoy was attacked," UN humanitarian spokesman Jens Laerke said. The UN spoke of a draft error while referring to the initial term of ‘airstrike.’ On Monday, 20 civilians and one aid worker were killed in what humanitarian organizations believed was an airstrike hitting a convoy en route to the war-torn city of Aleppo.

    In plain talk the UN was more then happy to kick of a perception managing/ disinfo campaign, they are now backing away from. 
    The Useless Nations- toss it to the curb!
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Nina Simone: Sinnerman

pennyforyourthoughts2 - Mon, 09/19/2016 - 09:13
Actually watched a move this week end- A rare occurrence for me.
The movie was "Hunt for the Wilderpeople" It was quirky and character oriented. Very enjoyable
This was one of the songs used for the soundtrack- Sinnerman: Nina Simone

Hadn't heard it for some time, but, recognized it immediately!
Nina Simone had a voice, the likes of which we never hear this day and age-

Nina Simone.......

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US GrandStanding: Russia's Vitaly Churkin Exits UN Meeting.

pennyforyourthoughts2 - Sun, 09/18/2016 - 07:09
Russia's Vitaly Churkin Walks Out Of UN Meeting Mad At USA"   The video captures Churkin's emotional state very wellWar of words after US air strike in SyriaUS-led coalition air strikes have reportedly killed dozens of Syrian soldiers, endangering a US-Russian brokered ceasefire and prompting an emergency UN Security Council meeting as tensions between Moscow and Washington escalated.The United States military said the coalition stopped the attacks against what it had believed to be Islamic State positions in northeast Syria after Russia informed it that Syrian military personnel and vehicles may have been hit.
The 15-member Security Council met on Saturday night after Russia demanded an emergency session to discuss the incident and accused the United States of jeopardising the Syria deal.The US ambassador to the United Nations, Samantha Power, chastised Russia for the move.
"Russia really needs to stop the cheap point scoring and the grandstanding," Power told reporters. She said the United States was investigating the air strikes and "if we determine that we did indeed strike Syrian military personnel, that was not our intention and we of course regret the loss of life." When asked if the incident spelled the end of the Syria deal between Moscow and Washington, Russia's UN Ambassador Vitaly Churkin said: "This is a very big question mark."
"I would be very interested to see how Washington is going to react. If what Ambassador Power has done today is any indication of their possible reaction then we are in serious trouble," Churkin told reporters. Moscow cited the strikes, which allowed Islamic State fighters to briefly overrun a Syrian army position near Deir al-Zor airport, as evidence that the United States was helping the jihadist militants. "We are reaching a really terrifying conclusion for the whole world: That the White House is defending Islamic State," the RIA Novosti news agency quoted Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova as saying.
Zakharova said the strikes threatened to undermine the ceasefire in Syria brokered by Russia. The Russian Defence Ministry said US jets had killed more than 60 Syrian soldiers in four air strikes by two F-16s and two A-10s coming from the direction of Iraq.
The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, a British-based monitoring group, cited a military source at Deir al-Zor airport as saying at least 90 Syrian soldiers had been killed.
Australia also participated in the strikes and the Australian Department of Defence offered its condolences to the families of Syrian soldiers killed or wounded in the incident.
   Churkin's approximately 20 minute speech:


“It is highly suspicious that the United States chose to conduct this particular air strike at this time,” Russia’s ambassador Vitaly Churkin said.Churkin questioned why the US suddenly chose to “help” the Syrian army defend Deir ez-Zor after all these years, recalling how American forces just observed terrorists’ movements and did “nothing when ISIS advanced on Palmyra.” “It was quite significant and not accidental that it happened just two days before the Russian-American arrangements were supposed to come into full force,” Churkin added.Churkin also questioned why the US decided to classify and not share with the public or even members of the Security Council the text of the US-Russia deal reached in Geneva, before reading out two passages from the document.The preamble of the document signed by both nations on September 9 read that the US and Russia are prepared to undertake “joint efforts” to stabilize the situation in Syria with special emphasis on the Aleppo region,and would separate moderate opposition forces from those of Al-Nusra. The second passage, presented by Churkin, read that the purpose of the Joint Implementation Group (JIG) is to “enable expanded coordination” between the US and Russia to work together to defeat Jabhat Al-Nusra and Islamic State (IS, formerly ISIS/ISIL) and support the political transition process.
“The beginning of work of the Joint Implementation Group was supposed to be September 19. So if the US wanted to conduct an effective strike on Al-Nusra or ISIS, in Deir ez-Zor or anywhere else, they could wait two more days and coordinate with our military and be sure that they are striking the right people.”“Instead they chose to conduct this reckless operation,” Churkin said.He also noted that the US has been voicing its concern over the humanitarian situation in Syria, claiming that because of it, “there are no conditions to start implementing the arrangements of the Joint Implementation Group.” But the Syrian government cleared all obstacles for the humanitarian aid it be delivered, leaving the US with “no serious ground”to halt or postpone the start date of the JIG’s work.
“So it may well be, one has to conclude, that the airstrike has been conducted in order to derail the operation of the Joint Implementation Group and actually prevent it from being set in motion,” Churkin said. “It may well be that the United States is trying to hide the fact that they are actually not in control of the situation, that they allowed the situation to get out of control.” Samantha Power is a psychopath. She is the product of a sick, psycopathic culture of extreme entitlement and self righteousness to the point of delusion! Her language is that of a liar, put on the spot, lashing out at everyone else, all the while refusing to accept or acknowledge the actual incident as it occurred and take responsibility for the action undertaken by the US.

 Power spent the next 15 minutes slamming Moscow’s “uniquely hypocritical and cynical” attempt to make Washington explain itself at an urgent UNSC meeting. “Why are we having this meeting tonight? It is a diversion from what is happening on the ground. (No it isn't) If you don't like what is happening on the ground then you distract. (As Samantha Powers is doing? Distracting from what the US, Australia and UK did) It is a magician's trick… we encourage the Russian Federation to have emergency meetings with the Assad regime and deliver them to this deal,” said Samantha Power.
"What Russia is alleging tonight is that somehow the United States is undermining the fighting against ISIL. The Russian spokesperson even said that the United States might be complicit in this attack … this is not a game," (The US has acknowledged they are complicit, so what is she saying? "This is not a game"? ) she added, before going into details of how Assad government is to blame for the dire situation in Syria.
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Breaking: Russia Wants Emergency UN Security Council Meeting

pennyforyourthoughts2 - Sat, 09/17/2016 - 16:07
Russia convened an emergency UN Security Council Session on US-Led coalition airstrikes against the Syrian Army which Moscow fears will undermine the breakthrough ceasefire agreement that just went into effect earlier this week.On Saturday, Russia convened an emergency session of the UN Security Council to discuss the US-led coalition airstrikes that the Syrian Army Command says killed at least 62 Assad regime soldiers. The US admits that they inadvertently targeted the Syrian forces, but claim that in a statement by the US Central Command claim that they warned Russia prior to the bombing.
The Russian Foreign Ministry said that the United States and the coalition failed to provide any warning to Russia prior to the bombing attack at Deir Ez-Zor carried out by two American F-16s and two American A10 ground attack aircraft.
The Syrian Foreign Ministry joined in the calls to the United Nations saying calling on the Security Council to officially condemn airstrikes by the US-led coalition of Syrian Army positions. Syria has long argued that American airstrikes in the country's airspace are illegal because the Assad government has not invited the United States to intervene.
The attacks come only five days into the breakthrough ceasefire agreement orchestrated by the United States and Russia with Moscow saying in a statement that they believe that the US is responsible for the imminent breakdown of the agreement. Nonetheless, the failure by US forces to appropriately target highlights the necessity of the ceasefire arrangement which called for the US and Russia to ultimately coordinate their strikes.Reports: 80+ killed in US-led airstrikes in Syria
UN Security Council Meeting 7:30 PM EST

 At the request of Russia, the United Nations Security Council is set to convene at 7:30PM ET, only a matter of hours after a US-led airstrike killed 80 Syrian Army forces paving the way for a major Daesh offensive. "Russia’s Foreign Ministry Spokesperson Maria Zakhavrova said of the attacks, "If earlier we had suspicions that the Nusra Front is protected this way, now after today’s airstrikes on the Syrian army we come to a really terrifying conclusion for the entire world: the White House is defending IS (Islamic State or Daesh)."
In case you are unaware of the situation ongoing situation:US Airstrikes Hit Syrian Arab Army to Support ISIS - Intentionally! 62 dead, 100's injured.
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US Airstrikes Hit Syrian Arab Army to Support ISIS - Intentionally! 62 dead, 100's injured.

pennyforyourthoughts2 - Sat, 09/17/2016 - 14:23
 Just like their pals in Israel- Who are striking Syria at Golan. Again!


Syrian Army says US bombed them IN SUPPORT OF ISIS!!!!

Syria's army general command said warplanes from the U.S.-led coalition bombed a Syrian army position at Jebel Tharda near Deir al-Zor airport on Saturday, paving the way for Islamic State fighters to overun it.
The air strike killed Syrian soldiers and was "conclusive evidence" that the U.S. and its allies support the jihadist group, the Syrian army said in a statement, noting that the strike was "dangerous and blatant aggression".I had a very strong suspicion something dramatic was going to occur today- As I had mentioned yesterday it seemed the US was being outed by both Turkey and Russia-
The actions of the Turkish backed rebels in outing special ops and the statements by Lavrov that made clear the US was supporting terrorists and generally up to no darn good!

The US had to appeared to be losing the upper hand in this situation. The battle for the hearts and minds of many was certainly being lost! And all ahead of election season too! 

The Latest:

 US-led coalition aircraft strike Syrian army positions, kill 62 soldiers – military

US-led coalition jets have bombed Syrian government forces’ positions near the eastern city of Deir ez-Zor, killing 62 troops and "paving the way" for Islamic State militants, the Syrian Army General Command told the state television. According to Syria’s official SANA news agency, the bombing took place on al-Tharda Mountain in the region of Deir ez-Zor and caused casualties and destruction on the ground.Sixty-two Syrian soldiers were killed and over 100 injured in the airstrike by the US-led coalition, Russia’s Defense Ministry spokesman, Major-General Igor Konashenkov, said, citing information received from the Syrian General Command. We are aware of the reports and checking with Centcom and CJTF (Combined Joint Task Force),” the Pentagon told RT. The Russian Defense Ministry said on Saturday that the aircraft which carried out the bombings had entered Syrian airspace from the territory of Iraq. Four strikes against Syrian positions was performed by two F-16 jet fighters and two A-10 support aircraft, it added.  “If the airstrike was caused by the wrong coordinates of targets than it’s a direct consequence of the stubborn unwillingness of the American side to coordinate with Russia in its actions against terrorist groups in Syria,” Konashenkov stressed.
The Defense Ministry also confirmed a report by SANA that an Islamic State offensive began right after Syrian Army positions were hit from the air. "Immediately after the airstrike by coalition planes, Islamic State militants launched their offensive. Fierce fighting with the terrorists is currently underway in the area of the airport where for a long a time humanitarian aid for civilians was parachuted,” Konashenkov said. The Syrian General Command has called the bombing a “serious and blatant aggression” against Syrian forces, and said it was "conclusive evidence" that the US and its allies support IS militants. Earlier on Saturday, Russia accused the US of being reluctant to take measures to force rebels under its control to fall in line with the terms of the Syrian ceasefire.
Numerous Russian appeals to the American side remain unanswered, which “raises doubts over the US’s ability to influence opposition groups under their control and their willingness to further ensure the implementation of the Geneva agreements,” senior Russian General Staff official, Viktor Poznikhir, said.
Poznikhir also said that the truce is being used by the militants to regroup, resupply and prepare an offensive against government troops. Israel is striking Syria also. Again

Flashback: Israel/Syria/Lebanon Border, Heating Up! Israel Evacuation Exercises, US Ceasefire Obligations Fail

 Updated-US alliance aircrafts target Syrian Army position in Deir Ezzor, Israeli enemy targets position in Quneitra
Damascus/Quneitra, SANA – The General Command of the Army and Armed Forces said that US alliance aircrafts targeted at 5 PM on Saturday a Syrian Arab Army position in al-Tharda Mountain in the surroundings of Deir Ezzor Airport, causing losses in lives and equipment and clearly paved the way for ISIS terrorists to attack the position and take control of it.
In a statement, the General Command said that this act is a serious and blatant aggression against the Syrian Arab Republic and its army, and constitutes conclusive evidence that the United States and its allies support ISIS and other terrorist organizations, stressing that this act reveals the falseness of their claims of fighting terrorism.

Later, the Russian Defense Ministry confirmed that the US alliance aircrafts that attacked the Syrian Arab Army position in al-Tharda Mountain are in fact American aircrafts.
The Ministry said in a statement that 4 American jet fighters (2 F-16 jets and 2 A-10 jets) entered the Syrian airspace across the Iraqi borders, and attacked a Syrian Arab Army position in al-Tharda Mountain in Deir Ezzor’s southeastern countryside, claiming a number of lives and injuring others.
The Ministry explained that the attack allowed terrorists from ISIS to take control of the mountain which is near Deir Ezzor Military Airport.Israeli enemy targets position in the surroundings of Khan Arnaba town in Quneitra countryside
SANA reporter in Quneitra said that the Israeli enemy attacked a position in the surroundings of Khan Arnaba town in Quneitra countryside within the framework of its direct support to the Takfiri terrorist organizations that commit massacres and crimes against locals in Quneitra countryside.
First thing I said to hubby this morning.. something  is going to happen today. Syria. Turkey. Something.. and yah, I know lots has gone up, but, I was thinking of a big upping the ante type move. Hitting Syrian troops is openly is that kind of move!

The US supporting ISIS. The US supporting Kurds. KurdIShIS

The Israeli desired Kurdistan aka Israel 2.0

The US Admits Carrying Out the Airstrikes that killed 60 Syrian Soldiers- headline
Washington Post:

 — The Pentagon said Saturday it had halted an airstrike over Syria after Russia and the Syrian government accused U.S. warplanes of responsibility for killing 60 Syrian soldiers.\
In a statement, the U.S. military’s Central Command admitted it had been carrying out a strike against a suspected Islamic State position in the eastern province of Deir al-Zour, but said it called off the assault after Russia said it was Syrian army positions that were being attacked, and not the Islamic State.
Earlier Saturday, Syria and Russia had accused the U.S.-led coalition of striking a Syrian army base and blamed the raid for an Islamic State advance in the area.
Saturday’s developments come amid an already fragile cease-fire brokered by Russia and the United States In other words the US made a 'mistake'.. That's an out and out lie! Bald/bare faced LIE!
They were assisting their thugs same as they have always done!
Recall a couple of weeks ago when I posed this question to readers here?
"How or why did  the U.S.-backed YPG fighters and the entire U.S.-led anti-ISIS coalition, of at least 50 countries, fail to clear ISIS from northern Syria even though they have allegedly fought and bombed the area for more than one and a half years??" Per the official narrative, of course!   This is why I am still sticking with my KurdIShIS symbiosis. It fits. It quite nicely explains the failure to clear ISIS. Clearing ISIS was not a goal. Ethnically cleansing and displacing the populace to remake the ME was always the agenda. ISIS the pretext- Kurd fighters part of the false/contrived good vs evil dialectic.
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Rebels Force US Special Ops To Flee Al Rai. US Retaliates by Bombing Same Rebels

pennyforyourthoughts2 - Fri, 09/16/2016 - 18:35
This is an interesting episode for sure!: "an event or a group of events occurring as part of a larger sequence"

I’m going to keep this short, sweet and on point!

-Russia and Turkey's top generals have a meeting to coordinate and cooperate
-Next day Special Ops is outed
-Lavrov outs US support of terrorists
-The US bombs the FSA "accidentaly" in an obvious act of retaliation
-While distancing themselves, and blaming Turkey for the incident!

Yesterday's blog post! Israel/Syria/Lebanon Border, Heating Up! Israel Evacuation Exercises, US Ceasefire Obligations Fail
*Turkey and Russia’s top generals are to meet in Ankara on Thursday, the Russian Defense Ministry said

Coordination?   Chief of General Staff Gen. Hulusi Akar will meet Gen. Valery Gerasimov to discuss Syria and also to talk about military cooperation, a spokesman said.
Today: Fighters backed by Turkey outing US Special Forces- very, very publicly.

Today:  Lavrov also outing US support of terroristsLavrov: Russia Hopes No One In US Trying To Shield Terrorists
“Not long ago, the Americans at last sent us a list of organizations which they consider to be part of the ceasefire and which should not be targeted. In one of the first positions there is Ahrar al-Sham,” Lavrov said. “It seems the Americans are listing a part of a terrorist structure, which is recognized as such by the UN, as an organization loyal to them,” Lavrov remarked.I’m seeing a concerted effort being made here to put the US on the hot seat!  This is all playing out in the court of public opinion. I suspect the US didn’t see this coming and is in damage control mode!

Turkish backed fighters out the US special forces

Link: I cannot embed this one  
Same video different link, embedding allowed!

  RT: Crusaders. Infidels. Dogs

At least two videos circulated on Twitter on Friday evening appeared to show that they were not welcome in al-Rai.The footage shows a group of agitated men, gathered in the town square, shouting anti-American slogans in Arabic, as a cavalcade of vehicles passes by.
The chants include: "Down with America," "Get out you dogs," and "They are coming to Syria to occupy it." Voices in the background call the US troops “pigs” and “crusaders.” "We don't want a single American fighting in Syria alongside us," says a man in the second video. "We are Muslims, we are not infidels. Get out!" Reuters cited a US official and a “senior rebel commander,” who confirmed that a protest had taken place, which ended with US troops making their way back towards the Turkish border.
  The US State Department spokesman John Kirby said the "rhetoric" used by the rebels was “not appropriate” and acknowledged that the opposition “is not a monolith,” but still praised the overall success of Turkey’s operation inside northern Syria.
"Towards the Turkish border" .. Interesting.  Why not report crossed the Turkish border and entered Turkey?!  Based on the obfuscated reporting I'm going to suggest that the special forces DID NOT enter Turkey I'm going to suggest that the special forces headed back to the annexed Syrian territory, where just today we read about the US flags unfurled as a psyop against the Turkish and Syrian people!

Kurds & Americans "Flip the Bird" to Syrians & Turkish Citizen/Nations. US Kill Syrian CiviliansMore:

Full video of chasing of "We're going to slaughter u. Ur coming to invade " Must be quite an embarrassment to the US, no? Of course it is! 
So damned embarrassing that the US goes back and drops bombs on these same fighters!
Oh wait, I thought they were allies, fighting with special forces of the US. Guess not!
That's no way to treat your allies.. Oh, but, it was just an accident- Not a bombing run called in by the fleeing special forces. (I don't believe that!)
According to the terrorist group's media wing, the U.S. Anti-ISIS Coalition mistakenly bombed the Free Syrian Army's (FSA) positions in the western countryside of Al-'Ra'i.
The U.S. Air Force was intending to bombard the Islamic State terrorists that were combatting their ground allies at the western farms of Al-Ra'i; however, they attacked the Free Syrian Army instead.
This latest report comes just hours after the same rebel groups chased the U.S. Army out of Al-Ra'i.
Of course, in a total face saving/spin measure, the US blames Turkey, saying the state department is unable to speak to how Turkey vet's the forces:

“On specific [Turkish] vetting procedures, that is really beyond me to speak to,” Kirby told reporters, commenting on the report.
What was it that made these rebels so angry?
Later, a group of rebels purporting to be representatives of Ahrar al-Sharqiya, a militia operating in the area, circulated a video statement, saying that US support of Kurds, was behind their protest. Which explains the use of the terms "occupiers" and coming to Syria to occupy it

Finally: Google blogger is censoring my earlier post from today
Kurds & Americans "Flip the Bird" to Syrians & Turkish Citizen/Nations. US Kill Syrian Civilians
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Lavrov: Russia Hopes No One In US Trying To Shield Terrorists

pennyforyourthoughts2 - Fri, 09/16/2016 - 16:05
And you know darn well they are!

Sergey is one of the best diplomats in my book- His use of language is most excellent!

The US is stalling on its promise to separate moderate rebel groups in Syria from terrorists, who are not subject to a shaky ceasefire and are a legitimate target for Russia and Damascus, the Russian foreign minister said. Under the peace deal signed by the US and Russia last week, the Americans must “separate the opposition groups that cooperate with them from Jabhat al-Nusra [Al-Nusra Front] and the likes of them,” Sergey Lavrov said in an interview with Sputnik radio in Kyrgyzstan on Friday. The top Russian diplomat said US progress in delivering on the promise is slow. He expressed hope that “this delay is not caused by someone in Washington trying to shield terrorists from being targeted.”  Russia says many armed groups in Syria, which Washington insists on not labeling terrorists, have allied with Al-Nusra Front or Islamic State on numerous occasions and do not differ from them ideologically.“Not long ago, the Americans at last sent us a list of organizations which they consider to be part of the ceasefire and which should not be targeted. In one of the first positions there is Ahrar al-Sham,” Lavrov said. “It seems the Americans are listing a part of a terrorist structure, which is recognized as such by the UN, as an organization loyal to them,” Lavrov remarked. Lavrov is clearly stating the US is supporting terrorists! 

The Russian military skeptical of the US intentions:
The Russian military, however, is more skeptical, saying that the outcome of the US-Russia plan is still up in the air.“So far all attempts by our American partners to demonstrate that ‘their’ opposition groups in Syria are controllable have been futile,” remarked Major General Igor Konashenkov, spokesman for the Russian Defense Ministry.He added that, according to Russian intelligence, only the Syrian government has abided by the conditions of the deal so far.
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