The Frog and the Scorpion (with Addendum)

(See addendum at the foot of this article)


(What is really fascinating about this particular cartoon of the story, "The Frog and the Scorpion", is that the scorpion has portrayed himself as the frog and so adding another level to it. Psychopaths regularly portray themselves as the victim. See the 'source' link above for a portrayal of this that you will recognise pretty easily)

Orson Welles relating the story of The Frog and the Scorpion

The story of the Frog and the Scorpion is a very old one and is as relevant today as it has ever been, if not more so. It tells about how a certain type of person, represented by the scorpion, will knowingly go against logic and reason and just plain common sense, to their own and others' detriment, even death. This is so hard to grasp for for the rest of us, represented in the story by the frog. But even though we may not understand it, it is imperative for our survival that we accept it's reality.

The Scorpion and the Frog

One day, a scorpion looked around at the mountain where he lived and decided that he wanted a change. So he set out on a journey through the forests and hills. He climbed over rocks and under vines and kept going until he reached a river.
The river was wide and swift, and the scorpion stopped to reconsider the situation. He couldn't see any way across. So he ran upriver and then checked downriver, all the while thinking that he might have to turn back.
Suddenly, he saw a frog sitting in the rushes by the bank of the stream on the other side of the river. He decided to ask the frog for help getting across the stream.
"Hellooo Mr. Frog!" called the scorpion across the water, "Would you be so kind as to give me a ride on your back across the river?"
"Well now, Mr. Scorpion! How do I know that if I try to help you, you wont try to kill me?" asked the frog hesitantly.
"Because," the scorpion replied, "If I try to kill you, then I would die too, for you see I cannot swim!"

Now this seemed to make sense to the frog. But he asked. "What about when I get close to the bank? You could still try to kill me and get back to the shore!"
"This is true," agreed the scorpion, "But then I wouldn't be able to get to the other side of the river!"
"Alright do I know you wont just wait till we get to the other side and THEN kill me?" said the frog.
"Ahh...," crooned the scorpion, "Because you see, once you've taken me to the other side of this river, I will be so grateful for your help, that it would hardly be fair to reward you with death, now would it?!"

So the frog agreed to take the scorpion across the river. He swam over to the bank and settled himself near the mud to pick up his passenger. The scorpion crawled onto the frog's back, his sharp claws prickling into the frog's soft hide, and the frog slid into the river. The muddy water swirled around them, but the frog stayed near the surface so the scorpion would not drown. He kicked strongly through the first half of the stream, his flippers paddling wildly against the current.
Halfway across the river, the frog suddenly felt a sharp sting in his back and, out of the corner of his eye, saw the scorpion remove his stinger from the frog's back. A deadening numbness began to creep into his limbs.

"You fool!" croaked the frog, "Now we shall both die! Why on earth did you do that?"
The scorpion shrugged, and did a little jig on the drownings frog's back.
"I could not help myself. It is my nature."
Then they both sank into the muddy waters of the swiftly flowing river.
Self destruction - "Its my Nature", said the Scorpion.

From an interview with Martha Stout Phd
(there's a ton of other resources at this link)

Imagine - if you can - not having a conscience, none at all, no feelings of guilt or remorse no matter what you do, no limiting sense of concern for the well-being of strangers, friends, or even family members. Imagine no struggles with shame, not a single one in your whole life, no matter what kind of selfish, lazy, harmful, or immoral action you had taken.
And pretend that the concept of responsibility is unknown to you, except as a burden others seem to accept without question, like gullible fools.

Now add to this strange fantasy the ability to conceal from other people that your psychological makeup is radically different from theirs. Since everyone simply assumes that conscience is universal among human beings, hiding the fact that you are conscience-free is nearly effortless.
You are not held back from any of your desires by guilt or shame, and you are never confronted by others for your cold-bloodedness. The ice water in your veins is so bizarre, so completely outside of their personal experience, that they seldom even guess at your condition.

In other words, you are completely free of internal restraints, and your unhampered liberty to do just as you please, with no pangs of conscience, is conveniently invisible to the world.
You can do anything at all, and still your strange advantage over the majority of people, who are kept in line by their consciences will most likely remain undiscovered.

How will you live your life?
What will you do with your huge and secret advantage, and with the corresponding handicap of other people (conscience)?
The answer will depend largely on just what your desires happen to be, because people are not all the same. Even the profoundly unscrupulous are not all the same. Some people - whether they have a conscience or not - favor the ease of inertia, while others are filled with dreams and wild ambitions. Some human beings are brilliant and talented, some are dull-witted, and most, conscience or not, are somewhere in between. There are violent people and nonviolent ones, individuals who are motivated by blood lust and those who have no such appetites. [...]

Provided you are not forcibly stopped, you can do anything at all.
If you are born at the right time, with some access to family fortune, and you have a special talent for whipping up other people's hatred and sense of deprivation, you can arrange to kill large numbers of unsuspecting people. With enough money, you can accomplish this from far away, and you can sit back safely and watch in satisfaction. [...]
Crazy and frightening - and real, in about 4 percent of the population....

..........What distinguishes all of these people from the rest of us is an utterly empty hole in the psyche, where there should be the most evolved of all humanizing functions. [Martha Stout, Ph.D., The Sociopath Next Door] (highly recommended)

From another interview with Martha Stout -

SIMON: I often think of our culture as bereft, being driven by façade and fame.

STOUT: You know, the bottom line for most people who are normal is their need for other people. Even the greedy ones have this need—as long as they’re not sociopathic. They may be very misguided and unhappy and do bad things and so forth, but in general if you look down deep, you find that these people are mainly concerned with other people and what other people think of them. This need reaches an extreme in the desire for fame: And they—even famous people—are most concerned of all with what people who are close to them think. And the sociopath is generally not concerned with that at all. People ask me many times, “Aren’t you afraid you’re going to scare people? Aren’t you afraid you’re going to make people feel bad about the human race?” I look at it as entirely the opposite. Something you can understand and identify should be less frightening than something you can’t. And to understand that there are people who are capable of acting without conscience, without considering other people at all, explains a lot of things. People ask, “What could possibly cause a normal person to torture her own child?” Well, the answer is: Nothing could cause a normal person to torture their own child. The reason that we see that happening is that there are people who don’t care, who don’t love—even their own children. A scary thought, certainly, but I think that it’s less scary than pre-supposing that we could all torture our children.

The scorpions in this world have put the notion that we are all like them into the public's consciousness: that we all are naturally violent; that war (genocide) is part of human nature. But it simply is not true

The story of the Frog and the Scorpion from the film, "The Crying Game"

If it were true that we were all violent rather than kind, then we would not see soldiers returning from war being unable to function fully again in society. We would not see this labelled as "Shell Shock" from WW1; or "Battle Fatigue" from WW2; or PTSD from the Vietnam War and all subsequent wars. If it were true that we were all violent by nature, then we would thrive on violence. But we don't.

Only scorpions thrive on war, on killing. They are wired backwards to the rest of us. We need to understand this to survive. We need to understand this and tell others to have any future for our children and their children.

Martha Stout again (I think I've got a thing for her smiling ) Stout labels these people as "Sociopaths". We might also call them "Psychopaths" or "Scorpions" for the purposes of this essay

How do you spot a sociopath?
A sociopath has no conscience, no ability to feel shame, guilt or remorse. Since 1 in 25 ordinary Americans is a sociopath, you almost certainly know one or more than one already. How can you recognize him or her?

* Sociopaths learn early on to show sham emotion, but underneath they live only to dominate others and win.
* They have a kind of glow or charisma that makes them more charming or interesting than the other people around them. They are more spontaneous, more intense, complex, or even sexier than everyone else.
* They crave stimulation and excitement, often showing brief intense enthusiasms that they later drop.
* They are seductive, encouraging others to take risks.
* They will tell you that you are just like them. Don't believe it.

Thirteen Rules for Dealing with Sociopaths in Everyday Life

Once you start to look for these scorpions amongst us, you will see them. And once aware of them, isolate them socially, follow Martha Stout's rules, tell others so that they understand and then we can begin to take back our world rather than following one scorpion after another as we have up till now. We, individually and collectively, can't afford not to do something about this.


There is something else we can do. We can appeal to a force greater than ourselves; a force that unites us all and gives life to everything.

Like the character in “The Crying Game” film clip, we have been confused about our true nature by the scorpions of this world. We are kind and we do wish the best for our fellow human beings and this world that we all live on. Let us reject the scorpions, their natures and their slippery words and embrace our true nature and live accordingly.

We can lift the spirit of this world through random acts of kindness and through positive regard and protection for each other; through positive regard and protection for the world we live in and which does so much to sustain us. With positive regard and prayer we and our environment can begin to live the life the creator of it all intended.

See AP's ”more powerful than a death cult and all its weapons” for more details.

"Some men see things as they are and say, why. I dream things that never were and say, why not."
Robert Francis Kennedy


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Awesome James

Awesome James!

From the source link"
"Yes," thought the frog, still puzzled that frogs and scorpions should think and act differently, after all, they are both small creatures of the forest. "Maybe I said or did something to anger him...?!"

This is so true and a source of so much pain in our world. It is in the Frog's nature to think this way which is a 'weakness' the scorpion will exploit. Spreading knowledge on this subject is a key component if we are to have any chance of combating this. The more people that are aware there are scorpions among us who think and act differently than we do, the more we will be able to protect ourselves from their sting.

And this is golden!
"First, in the new version the scorpion declares that he will sting the frog without any doubt. But the frog agrees to take the scorpion because he is encouraged or intimidated by onlookers’ remarks on onlookers—“What! You won’t take that poor scorpion on a ride? What kind of imperialist, racist aggressor are you?”
Second, after the duo drowns, the next day newspapers run the following headlines:
“Frog in Unprovoked Attack on Scorpion!”
“Cycle of Violence Continues”
“Frog Uses Excessive Force on Scorpion Civilian”

You see this in any given day's news. Especially when it concerns the world's favorite 'victim state'.

"The scorpions in this world have put the notion that we are all like them into the public's consciousness: that we all are naturally violent; that war (genocide) is part of human nature. But it simply is not true"

This is exactly right James and you only have to examine your own nature to understand that it is not true. This is why it is so important for the scorpions among us to dehumanize the enemy. We (the normal humans) would never go to war if we were to acknowledge the humanity of our 'enemies'.

acknowledging humanity in others

Thanks, McJ.
you only have to examine your own nature to understand that it is not true. This is why it is so important for the scorpions among us to dehumanize the enemy. We (the normal humans) would never go to war if we were to acknowledge the humanity of our 'enemies'.

that's it in a nutshell, McJ. Thank you smiling

here's how scorpions look like frogs

From Noor's Snippits and Snappits

the article originates from Prison Planet of all places but is spot-on in it's analysis.
This is what is going on in Libya now.

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Interactive graphic

I could use an interactive graphic to follow all those mechanations. smiling That was good. Thanks for posting it.

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