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can be a dangerous mix; did Macy put a target on her back? Some of her contemporaries seem a little more cautious in their approach. I gotta give her a point for bravery.
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Macy Gray asks fans if she should boycott Israel
JERUSALEM (Reuters) – Soul singer Macy Gray has asked her fans on Facebook whether she should cancel planned concerts in Tel Aviv because of the "disgusting" way the Israeli government treats Palestinians. |
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110120/lf_nm_life/us_israel_gray
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a little Suspicious
related http://suspiciousdeaths.blogspot.com/
Only 2 ?
2 Supreme Court judges had conflict of interest in campaign finance case, group says
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/sc-dc-0121-court-conflict...
it should ask the court to reconsider its ruling in the landmark case.
Sorry to be a cynic, but good luck with that one!
This stinks
Chock full of unfounded assertions;
http://www.cnn.com/2011/OPINION/01/20/parikh.childhood.immunizations/ind...
Make anti-vaccine parents pay higher premiums
Walnut Creek, California (CNN) -- Evidence disputing any link between autism and vaccines has been gathering for a decade. The anti-vaccine movement's lynchpin, Dr. Andrew Wakefield, has been shown to be nothing more than a grifter in a lab coat, with the prestigious British Medical Journal calling his work "an elaborate fraud."
Two new books, "Deadly Choices" by Paul Offit and "The Panic Virus" by Seth Mnookin, detail the sordid story of the anti-vaccine movement.
Given that, it's hard for me to believe that some parents still refuse to vaccinate their children. But they do, frightened by the rants and raves of anti-vaccine fundamentalists such as Jenny McCarthy, who can effortlessly get on "Oprah" or any other TV talk show to advance what is nothing short of a myth.
It's that fiction and the fear it incites that has challenged and frustrated pediatricians like me for 10 years. I don't foresee any quick shift in the trend among affluent, highly educated older parents against childhood vaccines. As Offit often points out, it's much harder to unscare people once they've been scared. McCarthy has it easy. We doctors have to do the hard part.
Refusing to vaccinate a child is dangerous not just for that child but for entire communities. It's precisely this point a colleague of mine was considering when he had the idea that parents who refuse to vaccinate their kids should pay substantially higher health insurance premiums.
It makes sense. Insurance, after all, is just a pool of money into which we all pay. In determining how much we or our employers pay, risk is taken into account.
The perfect analogy is smoking. If you smoke -- and want to turn your lungs black and spend a greater portion of that pot of money on your possible chronic lung disease or any cancers you'll get -- then you may have to pay more.
Why shouldn't we impose the same logic on parents who refuse to vaccinate their children?
The link between smoking and lung cancer is as clear as that between refusing vaccines and increasing the risk of infectious disease. And the one between secondhand smoke and a litany of health problems pales in comparison to the link between going unvaccinated and spreading "secondhand disease."
Researchers looking at the 2008 measles outbreak in San Diego, California, showed just how expensive and serious an outbreak of a disease that could have been prevented with a vaccine can be. A child whose parents refused to vaccinate him traveled to Europe and brought home the measles.
That family exposed 839 people, resulting in 11 additional cases of measles. One child too young to be vaccinated had to be hospitalized.
Forty-eight children too young to be vaccinated had to be quarantined, at an average family cost of $775 per child. The total cost of the outbreak was $124,517, about $11,000 per case and substantially more for the hospitalized child. That was just in the money the county and state spent to clean the mess up, and doesn't take into the account the costs to private insurers.
Nothing in this argument should supersede that doctors need to slow down and talk carefully with parents who are worried about vaccines. And none of it should distract from the fact that parents of children with autism deserve answers.
But if the Wakefield-McCarthy tribe had anything to say about this, they may agree. After all, their latest slogan is "vaccine choice."
In reflecting on what happened, the mother of the San Diego child told Time magazine that "we analyze the diseases and we analyze the risks of the disease, and that's how my husband and I made our decision about which vaccines to give our children."
Fair enough. If they want to make a risky choice, let's have this mother and others like her pay more for it.
As an aside, perhaps we could make doctors complicit in that choice pay higher malpractice premiums as well. Perhaps then, the combination of proof, medical crimes, stories like what happened in San Diego and a little moral hazard for patients and doctors will help move the needle toward common sense and preventive medicine.
The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of Rahul Parikh.
That family exposed 839
That family exposed 839 people, resulting in 11 additional cases of measles. One child too young to be vaccinated had to be hospitalized.
Forty-eight children too young to be vaccinated had to be quarantined, at an average family cost of $775 per child. The total cost of the outbreak was $124,517, about $11,000 per case and substantially more for the hospitalized child. That was just in the money the county and state spent to clean the mess up, and doesn't take into the account the costs to private insurers.
When I was a kid, measles were a common childhood disease; everyone got them and the lifelong immunity that came with them. What changed to change all that? Pharmaceutical companies realized they could make a killing (in more ways than one) by pushing a vaccine to the masses. A vaccine for every disease. If one's not enough, we'll give you three booster shots! Money, money, money, never mind the side effects and lack of safety testing or oversight...
I was thinking exactly the
I was thinking exactly the same thing when I read that! Everyone got the measles and the mumps. Although I was fortunate enough not to get the mumps, I had the measles twice (German Measles/Rubella and Red Measles/Rubeola). I was really sick with one of them but can't remember which one. I don't think anyone thought it was that big a deal. I remember my parents went out for the day while my cousin babysat me. I never remember even seeing a doctor when I was sick and we caught some wicked flu's and infectious diseases when I was young. Today if anyone's child was that sick they would be rushing them off to the hospital in a panic.
Times have certainly changed and I am not sure how much for the better (medically that is). Along with the nasty side effects of vaccines, I think they have also given the populace a false sense of security. As well, people seem increasingly unable to cope with even the the simplest of illness such as the common cold. Everything needs a pill, an inhaler, a visit to the the doctor or the emergency room. When my own children were young, the parents around me were frightened to death if their kids got a fever, constantly taking their temperature and giving them drugs to bring the fever down. I would try to explain to them that fever (the spiking kind which is accompanied by the hot and cold sweats) is the bodies way of attacking the virus and is not in and of itself harmful. And although it can be very uncomfortable, working at bringing it down is not necessarily a good thing. Low grade fevers are a little more problematic as they will often indicate an underlying infection such as strep, urinary tract or bladder etc. and bringing the fever down isn't going to do anything to address the infection. It fell on death ears tho, as fear is a powerful motivator especially when it comes to your children.
Agreed NJT! "...some parents
Agreed NJT!
"...some parents still refuse to vaccinate their children. But they do, frightened by the rants and raves of anti-vaccine fundamentalists such as Jenny McCarthy"
Refusing to vaccinate a child is dangerous not just for that child but for entire communities."
"Two new books, "Deadly Choices" by Paul Offit and "The Panic Virus" by Seth Mnookin, detail the sordid story of the anti-vaccine movement."
Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. Whose scaring whom here?
This is more fear mongering followed by the proposed remedy/punishment (ie. higher premiums) to bring the populace in line and to keep them vaccine sales rolling. It's a familiar MO!
vaccination
Sorry, but I disagree. Yes we all got those diseases as kids and are fine. Except that 'we" aren't all fine. Measles causes death and severe disability, rubella can be catastrophic in pregnant women(and others), and who in their right mind would want poli to make a come back. Yes the pharmacuitcal companies can be assholes, like a lot of other business persons, but herd immunity is agreat way for us to stay reaonably healthy in the very large communities, with major interactions with each other, and stop the spread of what can be serious illnesses.
No need to be sorry for
No need to be sorry for disagreeing Debbie.
Vaccination and immunization is a big can of worms when you start to look into it.
Dr. Mercola (http://www.mercola.com/) has written lots on this, especially on the HINI vaccine as well as Mike Adams from natural news (http://www.naturalnews.com/index.html). I wouldn't say I am totally anti-vaccine, more a pro-informed choice at this point in time, however after the reading I have done on it, I question if they have any effectiveness and certainly believe they have the potential to do great harm.
One example re: The Polio Vaccine
From: N.Z. Miller/Medical Veritas 1 (2004) 239–251 239
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The polio vaccine: a critical assessment of its arcane history, efficacy,
and long-term health-related consequences
Neil Z. Miller http://www.thinktwice.com/Polio.pdf
Thinktwice Global Vaccine Institute
P.O. Box 9638
Santa Fe, NM 87504 USA
Website: www.thinktwice.com
When national immunization campaigns were initiated in the 1950s, the number of reported cases of polio following mass inoculations with the killed-virus vaccine was significantly greater than before mass inoculations, and may have more than doubled in the U.S. as a whole. Source: U.S. Government statistics.
Doctors and scientists on the staff of the National Institutes of Health during the 1950s were well aware that the Salk vaccine was causing polio. Some frankly stated that it was “worthless as a preventive and dangerous to take [26:142].” They refused to vaccinate their own children [26:142]. Health departments banned the inoculations [26:140]. The Idaho State Health Director angrily declared: “I hold the Salk vaccine and its manufacturers responsible” for a polio outbreak that killed several Idahoans and hospitalized dozens more [26:140]. Even Salk himself was quoted as saying: “When you inoculate children with a polio vaccine you don’t sleep well for two or three weeks [26:144;43].” But the National Foundation for Infantile Paralysis, and drug companies with large investments in the vaccine coerced the U.S. Public Health Service into falsely proclaiming the vaccine was safe and effective [26:142-5].
In 1976, Dr. Jonas Salk, creator of the killed-virus vaccine used in the 1950s, testified that the live-virus vaccine (used almost exclusively in the U.S. from the early 1960s to 2000) was the “principal if not sole cause” of all reported polio cases in the U.S. since 1961 [44]. (The virus remains in the throat for one to two weeks and in the feces for up to two months. Thus, vaccine recipients are at risk, and can potentially spread the disease, as long as fecal excretion of the virus continues [45].) In 1992, the Federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) published an admission that the live-virus vaccine had become the dominant cause of polio in the United States [36]. In fact, according to CDC figures, every case of polio in the U.S. since 1979 was caused by the oral polio vaccine [36]. Authorities claim the vaccine was responsible for about eight cases of polio every year [46]. However, an independent study that analyzed the government’s own vaccine database during a recent period of less than five years uncovered 13,641 reports of adverse events following use of the oral polio vaccine. These reports included 6,364 emergency room visits and 540 deaths (Figure 3) [47,48]. Public outrage at these tragedies became the impetus for removing the oral polio vaccine from immunization schedules [36:568;37;38].
Another example: http://www.newswithviews.com/Tocco/mary1.htm
"...looking back historically, these infectious illnesses referred to were very prevalent in the mid 1800’s to early 1900’s. Several studies have proven that these infectious diseases were almost completely gone before vaccines were introduced. The death rates were at all time lows through out United States, Great Brittan and countries without vaccines also had decreases. I believe that Americans have been sold a lie. The following quote is from a very reliable source and is one of many that document that death from infectious illnesses was at an all time low before vaccines were introduced.
“According to the World Health Statistics Annual of 1973-1976 said that there had been a steady decline in infectious diseases in most developing countries regardless of vaccines administered. They believe that the diseases disappeared as a result of improved sanitation, improved water supplies improved personal hygiene and better nutrition. In addition, diseases for which there were no vaccines also declined dramatically. From 1850 to 1940, diseases had declined by 90% and were at an all time low, just when vaccines were being introduced.”
"I have been researching the “risks of vaccinations” for the last 27 years. What I have learned about the polio vaccines used in this country is not only shocking but will affect millions. Consider these facts:
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It is known that the live polio vaccine contained SV40, a cancer-producing virus and for the first time a hearing was held in Washington on September 9, 2003 by the Subcommittee on Human Health and Wellness, U.S. Government Reform Committee Chaired by Congressman Burton (R-IN). SV40 is associated with brain, bone and lung tumors found in children and adults today from vaccinations. This vaccine was used until the late 90’s.
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Previously in Washington on August 3, 1999 at a Polio Vaccine Hearing by the Committee on Government Reform and Oversight and House of Representatives, the following testimony was not reported in the evening news! I have met Dr. Howard Urnovitz on several occasions when he has presented the results of his research. He has dedicated his life to cancer research and vaccines. Here is a portion of his written testimony: “I am grateful to this committee for allowing me to address the issue of vaccine safety. I am Dr. Howard B. Urnovitz. In 1979, I received my doctorate degree in Microbiology and Immunology from the University of Michigan, where I studied vaccines. I am testifying today as the Scientific Director of the Chronic Illness Research Foundation. For the record, I am also the chief science officer of a biotechnology corporation. On the issue of informed consent: Had my mother and father known that the polio virus vaccines of the 1950s were heavily contaminated with more than 26 monkey viruses, including the cancer virus SV40, I can say with certainty that they would not have allowed their children and themselves to take those vaccines. Both of my parents might not have developed cancers suspected of being vaccine-related, and might even be alive today. Government, industry, and medicine should embrace the ethical principle of informed consent about possible adverse reactions associated with vaccines.”
"Our government is trying to hide behind “junk science” riddled with conflict of interest. Our Institute of Medicine, Federal Drug Administration and the Center for Disease Control all refuse to acknowledge the injuries caused by vaccination. The time is coming when they will not be able to deny their responsibility in the catastrophic rise in illness due to toxic vaccines. Thank God, we stopped using the live polio virus vaccine in the late 1990’s because it was the cause of almost all of the polio in this country since the 1980’s when they began to track it.
Vaccine research
That is some pretty impressive (and damning) research McJ. I had no idea it was that clear cut. Thanks
Thanks McJ
For most of my life I thought vaccines were an important part of a healthy childhood.
Only after my own child had an adverse reaction to a vaccine did I start to look into the matter more seriously. The more I researched, the more convinced I became that the SAFEST choice for MY FAMILY would be to refuse ALL vaccines.
Now having done that research, the forcefully OVERWHELMING statements in the press (and by personal physicians) are practically obvious propaganda. Thank the stars for Dr. Mercola, Dr. Wakefield, and other brave souls who sacrifice their mainstream reputations to tell us the truth.
Here's just one example of an article you won't hear quoted on the news or by your doctor:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-388051/Scientists-fear-MMR-link-...
The study appears to confirm the findings of British doctor Andrew Wakefield, who caused a storm in 1998 by suggesting a possible link.
Now a team from the Wake Forest University School of Medicine in North Carolina are examining 275 children with regressive autism and bowel disease - and of the 82 tested so far, 70 prove positive for the measles virus.
Last night the team's leader, Dr Stephen Walker, said: 'Of the handful of results we have in so far, all are vaccine strain and none are wild measles.
'This research proves that in the gastrointestinal tract of a number of children who have been diagnosed with regressive autism, there is evidence of measles virus.
'What it means is that the study done earlier by Dr Wakefield and published in 1998 is correct. That study didn’t draw any conclusions about specifically what it means to find measles virus in the gut, but the implication is it may be coming from the MMR vaccine. If that’s the case, and this live virus is residing in the gastrointestinal tract of some children, and then they have GI inflammation and other problems, it may be related to the MMR.'
The 1998 study by Dr Wakefield, then a reader in gastroenterology at the Royal Free Hospital in North London, and 12 other doctors claimed to have found a new bowel disease, autism enterocolitis.
At the time, Dr Wakefield said that although they had not proved a link between MMR (measles, mumps, rubella) and autism, there was cause for concern and the Government should offer the option single vaccines - instead of only MMRs - until more research had been done.
The paper - and the confused interpretation of its findings - caused uproar and led to many parents withdrawing their co-operation for the triple jab. Ten of the paper's authors also signed retractions on the interpretation but stood by the science.
This is the second independent study to back up Dr Wakefield. In 2001 John O'Leary, Professor of Pathology at St James's Hospital and Trinity College, Dublin, replicated his findings.
Last night Dr Wakefield said: 'This new study confirms what we found in British children and again with Professor O'Leary. The only exposure these children have had to measles is through the MMR vaccine.
'They were developing normally until they regressed. They now suffer autism and bowel disease.
'The Department of Health and some of the media wanted to dismiss our research as insignificant. The excuse was that no one else had the same findings as us. What they didn't say is that no one else had looked.'
A spokesman for the Department of Health said they had not read the American report, but added: 'MMR remains the best form of protection against measles, mumps and rubella.'
Big pharma and their complicit liars in the corporate media are exchanging the lives of some children, and not for herd immunity, but just for the IDEA of herd immunity. SICK!
a few more links
for anyone interested in the vaccine controversy,
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-20015982-10391695.html
http://www.soundchoice.org/Images/June_2009__Autism-Vaccines-Contaminati...
http://organichealthadviser.com/archives/polysorbate-80-in-swine-flu-vac...
http://www.thedailybell.com/1665/Wakefield-Accused-of-Further-Vaccine-Fr...
From the SoundChoice PDF,
While the pharmaceutical industry would like to conclude, therefore, that vaccines are not the environmental trigger for autism, the temporal association between the new vaccine versions and autism is too compelling for parents and grandparents to ignore, and real-life experience continues to implicate vaccines as a trigger for autism in some way. The National Vaccine Advisory Committee agrees.
But in corporate-generated pseudo-reality, real-life experience has no meaning or value.
The experience of honest individual doctors and families can't stand up in the face of a billion dollar propaganda blitz of pseudo-science and generations of practitioners indoctrinated with the holy grail of vaccination
Thanks for all the links NJT.
Thanks for all the links NJT. There was another really good article on the Polio vaccine that I wanted to link to but I can't find it. I got a new laptop from my family this Xmas (Hurrah!) so all my bookmarks and saved stuff are on the old computer. Anyways, one of the points they made in the article was that after the introduction of the Polio vaccine and the alarming rise in cases of Polio that what the CDC (I believe it was them and/or WHO) did was to change the criteria for diagnosing Polio. Symptoms that would have previously been diagnosed as Polio were separated into two other diseases, one of which I believe was Meningococcal Meningitis. What happened after this was that the incidents of diagnoses of Polio plunged while the incidents of the other diseases skyrocketed. Interestingly enough, I was telling one of my daughters about this and how I couldn't find the article and she told me she had learned about this in one of her Stats classes, as an example of how statistics can be misleading.
Manipulated stats
Tons of links here - http://www.lowellsfacts.com/Polio_Vaccine_Truth.html
I didn't find that article I was talking about but this one gives a run down of what happened.
http://www.whale.to/vaccine/polio1.html
The two diseases I may have been thinking about are viral or aseptic meningitis and encephalitis (which may be the same thing?? - meningitis causes the encephalitis which is acute swelling of the brain). There is also cerebral palsy and Guilliain Barr syndrome.
"Statistics on polio were manipulated. One such way was to redefine the disease, renaming it "viral or aseptic meningitis" or "cocksackie virus". In one US county, for example, in July 1955 there were 273 cases of polio reported for 50 cases of asceptic meningitis, compared to 5 cases of polio in 1966 and 256 cases of aseptic meningitis. These new diagnostic guideline's were issued by the CDC. If you object to polio vaccination, and you get polio--it is usually called "polio." If you have been vaccinated and you get "polio", it is called meningitis."
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"Polio has not been eradicated by vaccination, it is lurking behind a redefinition and new diagnostic names like viral or aseptic meningitis.......According to one of the 1997 issues of the MMWR, there are some 30,000 to 50,000 cases of viral meningitis per year in the United States alone. That's where all those 30,000 - 50,000 cases of polio disappeared after the introduction of mass vaccination"---Viera Scheibner "
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"Beddow Bayly, author of the book “The Case Against Vaccination” said: “After vaccination was introduced, cases of aseptic meningitis were more often reported as a separate disease from polio, but such cases were counted as polio before the vaccine was introduced. The Ministry of Health admitted that the vaccine status of the individual is a guiding factor in diagnosis. If a person who is vaccinated contracts the disease, the disease is simply recorded under a different name.”
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"Prior to 1954 any physician who reported paralytic poliomyelitis was doing his patient a service by way of subsidizing the cost of hospitalization and was being community-minded in reporting a communicable disease. The criterion of diagnosis at that time in most health departments followed the World Health Organization definition: "Spinal paralytic poliomyelitis: signs and symptoms of nonparalytic poliomyelitis with the addition of partial or complete paralysis of one or more muscle groups, detected on two examinations at least 24 hours apart." Note that "two examinations at least 24 hours apart" was all that was required. Laboratory confirmation and presence of residual paralysis was not required.
In 1955 the criteria were changed to conform more closely to the definition used in the 1954 field trials: residual paralysis was determined 10 to 20 days after onset of illness and again 50 to 70 days after onset.... This change in definition meant that in 1955 we started reporting a new disease, namely, paralytic poliomyelitis with a longer-lasting paralysis. Furthermore, diagnostic procedures have continued to be refined. Coxsackie virus infections and aseptic meningitis have been distinguished from paralytic poliomyelitis. Prior to 1954 large numbers of these cases undoubtedly were mislabeled as paralytic poliomyelitis. Thus, simply by changes in diagnostic criteria, the number of paralytic cases was predetermined to decrease in 1955-1957, whether or not any vaccine was used.
Health officials convinced the Chinese to rename the bulk of their polio to Guillaine Barre Syndrome (GBS). A study found that the new disorder (Chinese Paralytic syndrome) and the GBS was really polio. After mass vaccination in 1971, reports of polio went down but GBS increased about 10 fold.......In the WHO polio vaccine eradication in the Americas, there were 930 cases of paralytic disease—all called polio. Five years later, at the end of the campaign, roughly 2000 cases of paralytic disease occurred—but only 6 of them were called polio (41). The rate of paralytic disease doubled, but the disease definition changed so drastically that hardly any of it was called polio any more."—Greg Beattie"
More on Manipulated stats
One of the many interesting pieces of info about how they manipulated the stats to make it look like the vaccine had wiped out Polio and that it was not actually the cause of epidemic - from the article linked above.
"Dr. Thomas Francis did not mention in his key evaluation of the 1954 Salk field trials that those who contracted polio after their first innoculation and before their second inoculation were placed in the "not-inoculated" list.' (Maurice B. Bayly, The Story Of The Salk Anti-poliomyelitis Vaccine, 1956).
A Rose by any other name . . .
This is quite an education. Many thanks, McJ
You are welcome!
You are welcome! But it is not surprising, eh? This evil is everywhere you look.
"This evil is everywhere you look. "
Yes it is. It seems that the whole world is back-to-front most of the time. Still, it makes those times when the world is right-way up really worth 'savouring'.
Mike Adams On Junk Science
Here is a related item from Mike Adams of Natural News addressing junk science which is appropriately titled 'The Downfall of Science and The Rise of Intellectual Tyranny'.
http://www.naturalnews.com/031073_science_tyranny.html#ixzz1BgXPvrsn
Deadly Blast at Moscow's Main Airport
Deadly Blast at Moscow's Main Airport Seen as Terror Attack
http://www.truth-out.org/deadly-blast-moscows-main-airport-seen-terror-a...
"Moscow - An explosion rocked an international terminal of Moscow's busiest airport on Monday afternoon in what Russian officials described as an apparent terrorist attack. The Health Ministry reported that at least 30 people had been killed and 130 injured."
...
"In televised remarks, the Russian president, Dmitri A. Medvedev, said: "At Domodedovo an explosion has occurred, and according to preliminary information it was a terrorist attack. There are dead and there are wounded."
He admonished officials for their failure to prevent the attack, and ordered the police to boost security at all airports and on public transportation."
...
"Monday's explosion in Moscow pointed to the continuing fascination with air travel for militants, as well as the difficulty of carrying out an attack aboard a jet, said Stephen A. Baker, a former official with the Department of Homeland Security. "They'd like to be bombing planes and they can't, so they're bombing airports," he said, adding that the attack "validates the focus that the U.S. has had on security at airports."
"the continuing fascination with air travel for militants"
really?? that's why alleged militants want to blow up airports and airplanes because they are fascinated with air travel?? So, because they can no longer blow up the object of their fascination they now blow up airports. What a ridiculous thing to say. But of course he does add one of the convenient perks of the attack, it "validates the focus that the U.S. has had on security at airports."
Someone has to pay
They already suspect it was an Arab terrorist and surprise, surprise the attack follows the classic pattern used by terrorists from the North Caucasus. (Theys like to get their women to blow themselves up.) And they found a head that looks Arab in appearance! Wow, these guys are good! Totally gross and inappropriate considering the tragedy this must be for the people involved but heh the PTB can't be wasting a good tragedy when they have agendas to serve.
"The Moscow airport blast that killed 35 people may have involved a female suicide bomber from Russia's predominantly Muslim North Caucasus, RIA Novosti quoted a security source as saying Tuesday."
..."The terrorist was accompanied by a man. He was standing beside her and (the blast) tore off his head."
Russian investigators said Monday they had found a head of "Arab appearance" that was initially presumed to have belonged to the suicide bomber."
..."the blast bore the hallmarks of an attack carried out by North Caucasus militants.
"This act of terror followed the classic scheme used by terrorists who come from the North Caucasus," said the security official.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20110125/wl_afp/russiaattackbomber
One would think if these schemes are indeed 'classic' they would be having more success in stopping them.
More airport security coming?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110125/ap_on_bi_ge/airport_blast_security
"Analysts say Monday's attack at Moscow's Domodedovo Airport may prompt a reevaluation of how to protect airport terminals but it was unlikely to result in tougher long-term security measures."
Let's do what the Israelis do, after all they are the most threatened people on the planet, right?
"But in some countries, like Israel, Jordan or Pakistan, police set up roadblocks several miles (kilometers) from the airport to prescreen arriving passengers and others picking up passengers before allowing them to proceed."
Somebody has got to pay for this. Looks like it will be some poor schmuck Islamists along Russia's southern flank.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110125/wl_nm/us_russia_blast
"No one has claimed responsibility for the bombing yet, but Russia has been grappling with a growing Islamist insurgency in mainly Muslim republics in the North Caucasus.'
...Medvedev has delayed his departure for Davos, where he had planned to deliver the keynote speech opening the forum. Russia's Health Minister Tatyana Golikova said 49 people remained in serious or very serious condition in hospital."
..."Talking tough a day after the bombing, Russia's leaders ordered security services to root out the culprits behind the attack, which bore hallmarks of militants fighting for an Islamist state along Russia's southern flank.
..."I do not doubt that this crime will be solved and that retribution is inevitable."
I bet it will and it is!
Sounds like they are following the script from this BBC article on the Moscow Metro bombing in Mar 2010. I guess that is why they know how this one is going to go.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8592190.stm
"Female suicide bombers are believed to have carried out the attacks on trains that had stopped at two stations in the heart of the Russian capital.
No group has yet claimed responsibility for being behind the attacks.
But Russian security services believe the bombers are linked to militant groups in the North Caucasus region. "
"... fragments of the bodies of two female suicide bombers were found earlier at the scene of the incident and examinations show that these individuals came from the North Caucasus region,"
..."Prime Minister Vladimir Putin cut short a visit to the Siberian city of Krasnoyarsk and said a crime that was "terrible in its consequences and heinous in its manner" had been committed.
..."I am confident that law enforcement bodies will spare no effort to track down and punish the criminals. Terrorists will be destroyed," he added.
...President Dmitry Medvedev echoed his words after laying a wreath at the site of one of the attacks, saying: "They are animals. I have no doubt that we will find and destroy them all."
..."FSB chief Alexander Bortnikov said its investigators believed the attacks had been carried out by "terrorist groups related to the North Caucasus".
...."President Medvedev asked officials to increase security on the public transport system nationwide.
Bombs and patsies
Yesterday, my wife asked me if I had seen the news about the Moscow bomb blast. I said I had read the headlines but didn't read much more adding that it was probably Mossad's doing because every time some poitician somewhere says or does something the israelis don't like, bombs start going off in their country.
Then last night I read this from a comment over at AP's by the insightful HHQ and thought "Yep!"-
" With the false-flag bombing today at Russia's Domodedovo Airport, I've no doubt that Israel has its filthy claw in this covert war. Especially after the terrorist attack occurs most conveniently after President Medvedev's visit to Palestine and Jordan the day before. Medvedev's diplomatic mission was to travel to Palestine to reaffirm his country’s support for a Palestinian state with its capital in East Jerusalem. He did not set foot in Israel during his entire visit."
The rest of the comment and the post at Twelfth Bough is well worth reading -
http://twelfthbough.blogspot.com/2011/01/heroin-star-of-show.html
I think it would be a relatively simple affair to trick someone into carrying a suitcase into a terminal for you. Yet all 'the authorities' immediately call it a suicide bomber.
Thanks, that was a very good
Thanks, that was a very good read and the comments as well. She certainly attracts a great crowd over there.
"Terrorism can always be arranged."
How true!
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"Deitsch said his group reviewed a list of the names of the dead and determined that it contained no Jews. The Chabad rabbis remained at the airport to comfort the families of the dead. They also arranged kosher food for passengers on an El Al flight bound for Tel Aviv that was not able to take off due to the attack."
Good thing they were there to determine who died and help out with kosher food et al.
Good things
Good thing they were there to determine who died and help out with kosher food et al."
Yeah, and collect info for the post mortem back at Mossad HQ and plus maybe tamper with some evidence. AP at Twelfth Bough has blogged on various jewish groups who turn up to assist at bomb sites, plane crashes and disaster areas. Don't have any links off-hand, unfortunately.
Come to think of it, how many people would have an appetite after an horrific event such as this?
I remember reading some of
I remember reading some of her posts on this. Wasn't it the Chabad rabbis who were at the attack in Mumbai?
"Come to think of it, how many people would have an appetite after an horrific event such as this? "
Good question!
Chabad House
Yes, some of the gunmen were holed up in a Chabad House there in Mubbai. There was speculation that they used it as an HQ. At least one of the staff was found dead and I think mutilated. But I'm not sure whether the body was who they said it was. It may well have been a red herring to disguise the fact that it was an operational base. All a bit hazy now though.
Mask of Zion
A good read - Mask of Zion by by Jonathan Azaziah
http://www.maskofzion.com/
"The most recent example of this Zionist destabilization is New Years Day, 2011. At least 25 Coptic Christians in al-Qiddissin Church in Alexandria, Egypt were murdered, and at least 97 other innocents were wounded after a massive car bombing. Security forces of Zionist dictator Hosni Mubarak’s (a prime example of Israel’s ‘diplomatic weakening and isolation of Egypt’) regime withdrew an hour before the blast, allowing Mossad ordnance experts to plant the explosives and then vanish into obscurity. The attack was designed to incite communal war, cover up Israel’s most recent spy network being unearthed and deflect attention off of Egypt’s recent sham elections (22).
"While the Zionist entity may have indeed silenced the mainstream media in discussing its outed spy network and Mubarak’s election rigging, its main goal of fomenting ‘sectarian’ strife followed by all-out communal war on the streets of Egypt miserably failed. Thousands of Muslims, the religious majority in Egypt, joined their Coptic brothers for Christmas Mass six days after the bombing, offering themselves as ‘human shields’ to protect all those in the church from would-be attackers (23). This beautiful unity is anti-venom for the Zionists’ poison spread throughout the region."
At last, a small but magnificent piece of uplifting news. Now, I have to get about my day.
brothers and sisters
Thanks McJ, this news has made my day. So good (not to mention brave!) Have a great day!
A little more on the Egyptian Coptic Christmas Mass
Apparently, an Egyptian art dealer came up with the slogan "We either live together or we die together."
And in the days following the attack on Saints Church in Alexandria, millions of Egyptians changed their Facebook profile pictures to the image of a cross within a crescent – which was meant to be a symbol of an “Egypt for All”. Banners went up around the city, calling for unity, and depicting mosques and churches, crosses and crescents, together as one.
simply amazing
Imagine the difference it would make if this was featured front and centre in the 'nightly news'. Yeah, and interviewing Pat Robertson and asking for a comment. haha
Well, it seems Mossad is going to have a harder time than they no doubt thought breaking up Egypt - if that's the plan.
Chabad House info
for anyone interested, Another World Is Possible blog has a current post up with a lot of videos and links on the subject of Chabad House
Haskell Blows Whistle on Underwear Bomber, Government Op
"... this story is just the tip of the iceberg into the US government's black operations to further the Patriot Act, funding for Homeland Security and the TSA, and to keep intensity up for the so called War on Terror. Respected lawyer and community leader, Kurt Haskell, has nothing to gain from pointing his finger at the federal government. He witnessed the underwear bomber, Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, being whisked past security and led onto NorthWest Airlines flight 253, by a well-dressed man with an American accent- all without the passenger's proper visa and passport documentation. What the news piece doesn't mention is that the State Dept did indeed put Mutallab on the plane, at the behest of "an unnamed US intelligence agency." Undersecretary Patrick F. Kennedy (Detroit news article was removed from web!).
THIS is why we are being groped, molested, and body scanned at the airport by the TSA! Because the government claims the underwear bomber is a real threat! Stand up America- the politicians say our rhetoric is dangerous. Maybe the government itself is terribly dangerous...."
A Cry for “HELP” from Egypt
"A Cry for “HELP” from Egypt
http://mantiqaltayr.wordpress.com/2011/01/28/a-cry-for-help-from-egypt/
Posted on January 28, 2011 by mantiqaltayr| 12 Comments
The post below is verbatim from the Mermaid’s Sea http://mydmermaid.wordpress.com/2011/01/27/help/, a blog by a very talented Egyptian woman about whom I have posted before. The post is from yesterday. The so called Egyptian “government” is blocking all sorts of access to the outside world, just what we would expect from despotic governments. If you are in a position to get word out to the world about Egypt, please do your best.
Go to her blog, if you can, I was able to access it just now, and show your support. Her English is superb, so feel free to wish her and her people well.
Here is her post.
HELP!!!
The dictatorial Egyptian government has forced the three mobile network companies in Egypt to block SMS sending and receiving. They also blocked the BBM services.
In Suez (one of the governates on the Suez Canal), they cut off the mobile phone networks and landlines as well!
Besides blocking Twitter, they started blocking FB! And they intend on cutting off the whole internet service all over Egypt tomorrow, 28th Jan!
They want us to be separated from the whole world so that they kill and slaughter us as they wish with no witness to their crimes!!!
Try to spread the news please. Help us make more pressure on them to leave us ask for OUR rights that have been taken from us by Mubarak the dictator who has been ruling us for THIRTY years!!!
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I’ll try to update this post tomorrow as much as I can if I have still internet access! "
Egypt
Huge demonstrations in Cairo this afternoon with jet fighters circling overhead....Hillary Clinton basically said they don't want regime change if it's not "democratic", in short, before you slaughter your people, make sure everyone is convinced the Muslim brotherhood is leading them, which is complete BS.
Thanks for the blog link.
Thanks for the news Cryptic
Thanks for the news Cryptic. I haven't been watching the TeeVee coverage here so I really don't know what the Lame Stream on this side of the pond has been saying about what is going in Egypt or if there is any accurate reporting going on.
"Hillary Clinton basically said they don't want regime change if it's not "democratic", in short, before you slaughter your people, make sure everyone is convinced the Muslim brotherhood is leading them, which is complete BS. "
Ya, BS would be the word for it!
Egypt protests: Anti-Mubarak protesters dominate Cairo
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12318092
"Wyre Davies reports from Cairo on a sixth day of anti-government protests
Continue reading the main story
Protesters have taken over the centre of the Egyptian capital Cairo on the sixth day of demonstrations against the rule of President Hosni Mubarak.
The police, who have been involved in violent clashes with protesters in recent days, have largely disappeared from the streets.
There is a heavy military presence in the city, but soldiers are not intervening.
Meanwhile, al-Jazeera's broadcasts via an Egyptian satellite have been halted.
The Egyptian government had earlier ordered the Arabic TV channel, which has been showing blanket coverage of the protests, to shut down its operations in the country."
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"Many protesters once again climbed onto tanks and armoured vehicles around the square, with many soldiers apparently on friendly terms with the anti-Mubarak demonstrators.
Sunday is the start of the working week in the Middle East, but many businesses in the capital are closed. Internet access remains intermittent.
The BBC's Jeremy Bowen says that although key government buildings are under heavy guard, there appears to be a vacuum of authority in large areas of the city."
...
"Across Egypt, thousands of prisoners are reported to have escaped from jails after overpowering their guards."
It reminds me a bit of the protests in Bejing before the army finally turned on the crowds.
Sounds like they are getting things ready for the eventual slaughter and crack down. They just have to get rid of all them nasty witnesses so they can do whatever they want and then create the narrative to feed to the rest of us. Hope I am wrong.
Political prisoners being freed from jails in Egypt.
FREEDOM: Political prisoners being freed from jails in Egypt.
http://thenakedtruthinaconfusedworld.blogspot.com/2011/01/freedom-politi...
" Muslim Brotherhood says 34 key members escape prison
Thirty-four members of the opposition Muslim Brotherhood, including seven members of the leadership, walked out of prison on Sunday after relatives of prisoners overcame the guards, a Brotherhood official said.
The relatives stormed the prison in Wadi El-Natroun, 120 km (80 miles) northwest of Cairo, and set free several thousand of the inmates, Brotherhood office manager Mohamed Osama told Reuters. No one was hurt, he added."
Egyptian night
Egyptian night
By Dr.Dawg on January 30, 2011 10:11 AM | 20 Comments
http://drdawgsblawg.ca/2011/01/egyptian-night.shtml
"As I write this, military jets are buzzing the tens of thousands of pro-democracy demonstrators in Tahrir Square, Cairo, and helicopters are hovering above. There is an expectation among the crowd, which is growing in numbers and defiance, that something is about to happen.
All the signs are that this will not end well.
Al Jazeera, which has brought the on-going events in the Egyptian capital to the world, has been ordered out of the country, its licences cancelled, although it is managing to maintain its live feed—for how long, we don’t know.
Murderers and gangsters don’t want witnesses to their crimes.
The signals from the US are not encouraging. Superficially pro-democracy, they are lukewarm about the people in the streets. Hillary Clinton is calling for an “orderly transition,” whatever that means. The messages out of Washington are deliberately ambiguous, equivocal, weak. In effect, a licence to the Egyptians has been issued.
The Egyptian government is proving devilishly creative. Criminals are being released from high security prisons; police in plain clothes are looting Cairo neighbourhoods, fended off by hastily-assembled vigilante groups. Uniformed police have vanished. It seems clear that the way is being paved for the restoration of “order.”
A bloodbath seems inevitable. I hope I am wrong.
Perhaps the military will refuse to fire on their own brothers and sisters. But history is not reassuring on this point.
We can expect the usual regrets about loss of life to be issued by a relieved Washington. The replacement of the superannuated Hosni Mubarak by his reptilian security chief Omar Suleiman will be greeted as serious regime change.
We are watching power politics in action—until, that is, the cameras are stilled, reporters are silenced, and a hard night descends."
Egyptian protests
From Angry Arab (link via "Peter" from a comment at Twelfth Bough)
Comrade Hossam: live from Cairo
Comrade Hossam is somebody I trust and admire: he is central in the protests in Cairo (and is a fine journalists too). Here is a sequence of his tweets:
3arabawy Hossam عمو حسام
"There r tens of thousands continuing the protests day and night in Tahrir Sq. Yesterday we almost stormed the Interior Ministry.
The police has vanished from the streets. They r barricaded inside their Interior Ministry, stationing snipers on buildings, shooting at us.
Live ammunition was used yesterday against us in Mohamed Mahmoud Street. I saw at least one person dead.
I'm ok, I have sustained injuries like everyone else from BB bullets and rubber bullets. But my family and I are fine.
IT IS NOT TRUE WHAT MSM IS BROADCASTING ABOUT PROTESTERS CALLING ON BARADIE TO LEAD TRANSITIONAL GOVT!
My neighborhood Nasr City, my city Cairo and in all Egyptian towns, popular committees r being formed by citizens to provide security.
Barricades r up, cars r checked by the shabab. Saboteurs r beaten up immediately on the spot.
The army in Tahrir r useless pieces of shit. They r not "protecting" the demonstrators as they were claiming.
The shootings around Lazoughli and the snipers firing at protesters yesterday happened as the army sat and watch.
WE DO NOT WANT THE ARMY! THE ARMY HAS BEEN RULING SINCE 1952. THEY R NOT NEUTRAL PLAYERS.
The curfew the army imposed is meaningless. We break it every night by continuing our protests in Tahrir.
MB activists were denounced by protesters around Lazoughli yesterday when they tried to stop people from marching on interior ministry
It is not true what some MSM outlets r broadcasting about the Muslim Brotherhood and the 6th of April leading the protests. It's complete BS
The protests have spontaneous leaders in most of the occasions. We won't let this upririsng to be hijacked by anybody.
Suez workers in several factories r on strike, calling for the overthrowal of Mubarak.
Situation in Suez is catastrophic in terms of deaths and injuries. The police fought the people in the same way Israelis fight Palestinians
There r chants against Mubarak always, accusing him of being a traitor, a client to the US and Israel.
There is no love whatsoever the protesters hold towards the US govt and Obama. They r hypocrites.
The Popular Committees hold the seeds for what direct democracy could look like in the future. We need to focus on them instead of BARADIE!
Demonstrations continue in all Egyptian cities. People do not want Omar Suleiman. People want to see Mubarak on trial.
State Security Police Stations in Daqahliya, Kafr El-Sheikh, Rafah, Damanhour, and in many other places have been torched down by protesters
Pigs at Nasr City Police Stations 1 & 2 have barricaded themselves inside the stations, shooting live ammunition at proteters from inside.
I attended the protests in Nasr City yesterday b4 heading to Tahrir, and the police used live ammunition on protesters.
We need more protests abroad in front of Egyptian embassies. Pressure your govts to cut all sort of relations with the Mubarak regime.
I can't login to facebook or gmail from where I am. So anyone who is in touch with my sister Salma, tell her I and mom r doing well.
Gotta leave now and head back to the protests. Down with Mubarak. Down with Obama the hypocrite. Long live the Egyptian revolution."
PS I always teased Hossam and told him: when are you finally going to overthrow Mubarak? Well, he is finally doing it, along with the brave Egyptian people.
God doesn't know what he's got against Queensland.
God doesn't know what he's got against Queensland.
When I first looked at this incredible satellite photo of Cyclone Yasi I thought the dot on this question mark might be puntuated down around Tasmania but on closer inspection I think that's way off and that the back end on this monster may be blowing through New Zealand.
Cyclone Yasi arches it's back as it takes aim at Queensland.
This video was posted at 7:40pm yesterday evening. (I couldn't get it to embed for some reason so you can watch it at the link.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Em9fbjCh2n0
It looks like Yasi will make a direct hit around Cairns at a category 4 or 5 and then travel across the length of the continent exiting around Perth. Batten down the hatches mates this is going to be nasty!
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