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Turkey's Referendum As Results Come In

pennyforyourthoughts2 - Sun, 04/16/2017 - 09:23

 Watching results via.. Yenisafak, they have an interactive map

Also jamesinturkey  is providing some live coverage. We met james in yesterday's post Turkey's Referendum: "To Close To Call" ???

I've been following the results of the referendum all morning..
going between jamesinturkey and Yenisafak


Diyarbakir results have been flipped from early polling maps- Contradicting both the polling and the DW report from a week or so ago.

Then there is a report "speculation" from CNN Turk aka CIA/ Gulen media that

11:58  6.57pm Block results service? by MikeOn CNN Turk, journalist Murat Yetkin says there is speculation that the Supreme Election Commission (YSK) has blocked its results service to some political parties.
This is going to run through the five eyes media like a bad case of the stomache flu, if you know what I mean? It's looking very much to me as if interested outside parties are creating perceptions and have probably managed to skew the results of this referendum to make the Yes vote appear weaker then it has actually been polling at for months. In other words to guarantee the results the 5 eyes media had already projected.

Presenting the Turkish populace as nearly equally divided. Enabling greater demonization of the Turkish leadership- if that's even possible- Erdogan's been a 'dictator" and the Sultan and a tyrant and a whatever other label that could be applied for years now- And he managed all that from his largely ceremonial Presidential position- Quite amazing, if not entirely unrealistic

There was a shooting at a Diyarkabir polling station which could have served as a distraction-
Two Killed in Gunfire in School During Referendum Voting in Turkey’s DiyarbakirResults look to be a 51 yes /49 no- A strangely familiar result...Predictions:-Destabilization of Turkey to worsen -The PKK shall return to attacking with a vengeance

- "Peaceful Protests" shall commence.. centered around Izmir province (coastal and US base)
South Eastern provinces & "European Turkey" Istanbul

-Terror attacks in Ankara

  • The Yes camp has declared victory in Turkey's executive presidency referendum, based on results provided by Anadolu Agency
  • But the No camp has not conceded and has vowed to contest the results.

Erdoğan: "We call on all other countries to respect the decision of the Turkish people."
We expect our allies to do more to support our fight against separatism and terrorism, he adds.It would be absurd to believe that this referendum was undertaken on anything but favourable for the yes vote poll results
I'm suggesting that the pre-referendum polling had been consistent with the 60/40 internal polling results I had previously reported- which would have been plus or minus maybe 3 to 5 percentage points- but could not have been today's result.

Yes, I am suggesting external forces interfered in the referendum.

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Turkey's Referendum: "To Close To Call" ???

pennyforyourthoughts2 - Sat, 04/15/2017 - 08:49
According to 5 eyes media- Both sides, Yvet (Yes) and  Hayir (No), are neck and neck. Is that accurate? Come on, it's 5 eyes media!

This is same media that swore up and down that Hillary Clinton was going to win the US election. This is the same media that makes real out of the unreal, thinking specifically about the recent, alleged chemical attack in Syria.

Here's an example of five eyes media perception management regarding Turkey's referendum.
Via Canada's own CBC
 "The most recent polls put both of these sides neck-and-neck still. It has been like that throughout the campaign," said CBC's Nik KöksalThat's been the consistent theme throughout the western media reports- "Neck and neck"
Of course this spin is being engaged in because it provides the 5 eyes media the option of claiming there was voter fraud and "Erdogan stole the referendum"

A claim that will be as substantive, valid and truthful as the recent accusation of Assad gassing his own people. Again.
It won't matter though. Because way to many people will be willing to jump on the bash Turkey, Turkish people and Erdogan bandwagon. 

I've been keeping an eye on the referendum news from Turkey via a journalist embedded in Turkey. I suspect he is monitoring and requisitioning internal polls for certain interested parties. Though he could just be interested for purely personal reasons, much like myself, but that seems doubtful. Oh well.

Let's look at the referendum numbers and stats coming out of Turkey via James in Turkey

As of April 13/17

As of April 6/17 
As of March 30/2017 What we are looking at here, and I mean really looking at is a roughly 60 yes/40 split nearly consistently-  James in Turkey discusses how these numbers came to be very clearly also discussing the previous success the polling company employed, had in correctly calling other referendum results:
Nonetheless, the company is confident they have a sample that broadly reflects Turkey’s demographic make-up. Qriously would argue its referendum methodology is tried and tested, having successfully called the UK’s Brexit and Renzi’s Italian referendum last year, as well as this month’s Dutch election. I leave the judgment to you. Recall the media spin prior to the Brexit? And then of course the hand wringing and wailing afterwards about the actual vote- which saw Brits wanting to leave the EU.  

I'm taking the same position taken all along- This is a referendum for the Turks.

Highlighting, again, a point that was made in this post: Turkey's Referendum: Is The Sky Really Falling?

From an embedded audio clip
 Interestingly DW found plenty of Kurds willing to vote "Yvet" in the referendum-  Kurds are not a black and white case in Turkey- unsurprising to me. Many blame the PKK for the violence that they live through! Yes, that is the Kurds that blame the PKK- which is not a surprise, again! A Kurdish man, who loves President Erdogan? Something we'd never hear of in the west, I mean, 5 eyes media. It's an interesting 10 minutes. Give it a listen and share some thoughts.Here 

" The most striking regional result is southeast Turkey – YES (68.4), NO (31.6)where this poll suggests reports of the pro-Kurdish HDP’s dwindling influence appear to be true. Other regional differences are less striking: western Aegean and Thrace, both solid CHP areas, are firmly in the NO camp, while some of Yes’s strongest results come from the pro-AK Party Black Sea" The Turks will live with the results of this referendum. As the American populace lives with a Trump presidency and we here in Canada suffer under Tru-dough's prime minister act.  Outside interests may not be as willing to live with the results of Turkey's referendum. I suspect this is the reason 5 eyes media is spinning neck and neck. Or to close to call. The media is providing a cover story for future/probable interference in Turkey.

Oh and lastly check out the media page at

Very informative- Hurriyet is a Gulen/CIA production. Hurriyet is nearly exclusively used by many alt media sites I consider untrustworthy. I had always suspected it was definitely pro Atlantacist, as mentioned, and always had to verify it's content elsewhere. 
 I'm sure readers here have noticed that practice, also reading my mentions of that on a number of occasions.  CNN Turk, lol, I recall that from the coup attempt. The guy at Incirlik was watching CNN to get his updates on the coup.. Makes sense that CNN Turk had the inside track, especially when one considers CNN's role with Syria Danny.. Recall that?

Wanted to add this one to the post!

Henri J Barkey: Turkey will never be the same after this vote

The man who was in Turkey immediately preceding the coup.. and he spins all the western 5 eyes memes- 

"Even so, the contest is too close to call."

 You can see internal polling directly above to close to call is not based in reality

" Turks have a tendency to buck the system when they feel that the rules of the game are unfair or that they are being bullied by their leaders. No one should assume that the vote will turn out the way Erdogan has planned"

  Barkey is planting the idea that there will be conflict, mayhem and manipulation.
According to Istanbul Police's Intelligence, Counter Terror, Cyber Crime and Criminal Units, Barkey was holding a meeting with 17 top figures, most of them foreign nationals, at a hotel on Istanbul's Princes Island on July 15, the day of the failed coup attempt in Turkey.

Barkey was staying in the Splendid Hotel, which was used as a British Military Headquarters during the days of occupation in 1919, between July 15 and 17.

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Infants Show Innate Racial Bias- Good for them!

pennyforyourthoughts2 - Fri, 04/14/2017 - 18:11
Leave it to AGENDA pushing university researchers to actually find fault with an infants  normal preference for those who resemble their family and parents- What a horror! 
* An obvious innate survival preference.  
* Likely crucial for forming a healthy self identity. 

 Nothing wrong with an infant having this preference- Nothing at all!

Yet, according to the sick  f*ck  researchers, this natural, normal healthy preference needs to be destroyed by even earlier exposure to the faces not of the infants own identifiable (to them) family.   Because what the world really needs is way more insecure, unsure and totally screwed up human beings who would never threaten the powers that shouldn’t be because they are all to busy thumb sucking and navel gazing thanks to early intentional identity destruction!  
A preference for those of your own family, immediate, extended and community does not imply anything but a normal survival strategy. A normal human trait
I really found this disturbing, abusive and indicative of the intent to destroy humans- starting as early as possible- And destroying the human race and getting them to accept the technocracy and AI is what this type of research is all about- A Brave New World-
Who would not want all humans to have healthy self identities? Predators aka psycopaths
What types of persons would not want humanity feeling confident? Feeling secure in who they are? Predators aka psychopaths

I keep asking myself why we humans are not only tolerating our own destruction but we're participating in it- willingly! Why aren't we pushing back against the obvious anti human agenda being pushed by the powers that should not be and their managerial classes.

This does not please me as human mother- It's an abomination
Toronto – Two studies by researchers at the Ontario Institute for Studies in Education (OISE) at the University of Toronto and their collaborators from the US, UK, France and China, show that six- to nine-month-old infants demonstrate racial bias in favour of members of their own race and racial bias against those of other races.

In the first study, “Older but not younger infants associate own-race faces with happy music and other-race faces with sad music”, published in Developmental Science, results showed that after six months of age, infants begin to associate own-race faces with happy music and other-race faces with sad music.

In the second study, “Infants rely more on gaze cues from own-race than other-race adults for learning under uncertainty”, published in Child Development, researchers found that six-to eight-month-old infants were more inclined to learn information from an adult of his or her own race than from an adult of a different race.When infants are unsure they look to those from their own "race"- Those who resemble them more closely for reassurance- Nothing wrong with that!
(In both studies, infants less than six months of age were not found to show such biases).

Racial bias begins at younger age, without experience with other-race individuals

“The findings of these studies are significant for many reasons,” said Dr. Kang Lee, professor at OISE’s Jackman Institute of Child Study, a Tier 1 Canada Research Chair and lead author of the studies. “The results show that race-based bias already exists around the second half of a child’s first year. This challenges the popular view that race-based bias first emerges only during the preschool years.” Hear Dr. Lee discuss the research results.

Researchers say these findings are also important because they offer a new perspective on the cause of race-based bias.

“When we consider why someone has a racial bias, we often think of negative experience he or she may have had with other-race individuals. But, these findings suggest that a race-based bias emerges without experience with other-race individuals,” said Dr. Naiqi (Gabriel) Xiao, first author of the two papers and postdoctoral fellow at Princeton University.

This can be inferred because prior studies from other labs have indicated that many infants typically experience over 90 per cent own-race faces. Following this pattern, the current studies involved babies who had little to no prior experience with other-race individuals.

“These findings thus point to the possibility that aspects of racial bias later in life may arise from our lack of exposure to other-race individuals in infancy,” Dr. Lee said.

Study results could be significant in prevention of racial bias

He continued to explain that overall, the results of these studies are critically important given the issues of wide-spread racial bias and racism around the world.

“If we can pinpoint the starting point of racial bias, which we may have done here, we can start to find ways to prevent racial biases from happening,” he said.Why? When it is stated above babies have this racial bias in times of uncertainty? So it's clearing a security, coping measure for them. Why then would reasearchers wish to prevent these racial biases other then to destroy the early forming identity and turn these infants into unsure and scared children.

“An important finding is that infants will learn from people they are most exposed to,” added Dr. Xiao, indicating that parents can help prevent racial bias by, for example, introducing their children to people from a variety of races.Parents would most likely be inducing insecurity in their infants by forcing them into situations where they are feeling scared- this is sick. Sick. Sick. 
When my daughter was an infant she was scared of men with beards (Daddy/Hubby was clean shaven)  I did not inflict hairy face visuals on her because that's just horrible! As an adult she is not scared of bearded people. What Dr Xiao suggests is abuse of infants.

Who has not seen small children freak out over being handed to Santa Claus- Must be because their "racist" towards Santa Claus!!  These researchers are deranged. Don't buy into this trash

Clearly 4 biased hater children! First study: Face-race and musicIn the first study, infants from 3 to 10 months of age watched a sequence of videos depicting female adults with a neutral facial expression. Before viewing each face, infants heard a music clip. Babies participated in one of the four music-face combinations: happy music followed by own-race faces, sad music followed by own-race faces, happy music followed by other-race faces, and sad music followed by other-race faces. The study found that infants at six to nine months of age looked longer at own-race faces (so what?) when paired with happy music as opposed to with sad music. By contrast, six- to nine-month-olds looked longer at other-race faces when paired with sad music compared to with happy music.

Second study: Face-race and learning

The second study examined whether infants were biased to learn from own-race adults versus other-race adults. Six to eight-month-old infants saw a series of videos. In each video, a female adult looked at any one of the four corners of the screen. Following the look, in some videos, an animal image appeared in the looked-at location (a reliable gaze). In other videos, an animal image appeared at a non-looked-at location (an unreliable gaze). The results showed that six to eight-month-old infants followed the gaze of members of their own race more than they followed the gaze of other-race individuals. This occurred when the faces were slightly unreliable, as they are in the natural environment. This result suggests that, under uncertainty, infants are biased to learn information from own-race adults as opposed to other-race adults.

Racial bias can ‘permeate almost all of our social interactions’- Bullshit!
Two more biased hater childrenDr. Lee said it’s important to be mindful of the impact that racial bias has on our everyday lives, stressing that not only is explicit bias a concern, but so too are implicit forms.

“Implicit racial biases tend to be subconscious, pernicious, and insidious. It permeates almost all of our social interactions, from health care to commerce, employment, politics, and dating. Because of that, it’s very important to study where these kinds of biases come from and use that information to try and prevent racial biases from developing,” he said.Grade A bullshit! Preference for your own people is normal and innate- It is not wrong or immoral or insidious. 
If your a parent to a young child, please don't damage your child by believing this garbage.
Just love and give your child the most secure upbringing possible so they will be healthy,  happy, confident,  strong and independent.

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US prepares preemptive strike against North Korea before another nuclear test

pennyforyourthoughts2 - Fri, 04/14/2017 - 08:15
This is alarming if even remotely true. Though it feels like fear mongering. Thoughts?

The US Navy nuclear-powered USS Carl Vinson aircraft carrier and its strike group approached the Korean Peninsula in anticipation of a possible new nuclear test or launch of ballistic missiles in North Korea.According to the American private intelligence and analysis company Stratfor, the carrier group is currently located west of the Japanese island of Kyushu and is crossing the Korean Strait to the waters of the Sea of Japan toward the east coast of North Korea. There, according to Japanese media, citing sources in the country's Self-Defense Forces, Japanese warships will also join them.
In addition to the aircraft carrier USS Carl Vinson, the carrier group includes the missile cruiser USS Lake Champlain and two destroyers, the USS Michael Murphy and the USS Wayne E. Meyer. The group is accompanied by nuclear submarines equipped with Tomahawk cruise missiles as well.According to CNN, in the event of a nuclear test, B-52, B-1B, and B-2 strategic bombers of the US Air Force, which are at the US airbase on the island of Guam in the western part of the Pacific Ocean, can also be involved in a possible strike against North Korea. In addition, ground and ship missile defense systems of the United States, Japan and South Korea can be used to intercept North Korean missiles. This includes the American ships of the USS Carl Vinson carrier group, which are equipped with the Aegis Missile Defense System. The American carrier strike group left for the Korean Peninsula on Saturday. This is in response to the increasing number of ballistic missile launches conducted by North Korea. In addition, South Korea and Japan claim that Pyongyang is preparing another provocation by April 15, the 105th anniversary of the birth of the country's founder, Kim Il Sung, or April 25, the 85th anniversary of the founding of the Korean People's Army. This time it could be a nuclear test. The US is ready to strike a preemptive blow against North Korea in the event that evidence is received of Pyongyang's preparations for a new nuclear test, NBC News reported on Thursday, citing sources in US intelligence.
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Donald Trump Channels Hillary Clinton While Attacking Syria

pennyforyourthoughts2 - Thu, 04/13/2017 - 09:01
Yes, he did. I understand the Trump supporters are angry and betrayed. Now it's time for all the cry baby, Hillary supporters to dry their eyes and wipe those snotty noses. You got your Hillary after all.

 Trump channeled Hillary so implicitly he even hit airfields per her, just hours earlier, suggestion!
 “In her first interview since her stunning presidential election defeat by Republican rival Donald Trump, Hillary Clinton on Thursday called for the United States to bomb Syrian air fields”
The strike on Syria was amazingly effective in neutering both the Trump and Hillary supporters.
With that one action the Trump supporters were disillusioned and the Hillary supporters were elated.
The theatre is over- Both sides have been made inert.

 Forbes oped:

Donald Trump spent the presidential campaign insisting that Washington’s first duty was to protect the American people.

Almost exactly a year ago he gave a major address to the Center for the National Interest in which he criticized nation-building and especially the disastrous Iraq and Libya interventions:  “After losing thousands of lives and spending trillions of dollars, we are in far worst shape in the Middle East than ever, ever before.”

He also promised to step back from confrontation from Russia. “I believe an easing of tensions, and improved relations with Russia from a position of strength [not] only is possible, [but] absolutely possible. Common sense says this cycle, this horrible cycle of hostility must end and ideally will end soon,” he explained.

Alas, less than three months after taking office for President Trump has begun channeling Hillary Clinton on foreign policy.

Secretary of State Rex Tillerson initially said “steps are under way” to develop a new international coalition to oust Assad: “it would seem that there would be no role for him to govern the Syrian people,” he announced last Thursday.

Ambassador Haley spewed fire and brimstone while seeming to push aside her nominal boss. Peace is impossible “as long as Assad remains in power,” she insisted: “we’ve got to go and make sure that we actually see a leader that will protect his people.” She allowed that “Getting Assad out is not the only priority”: The U.S. also has “to get out the Iranian influence,” which is necessary “for peace and stability in the area.”

Last week he declared that as president he now has “responsibility” for Syria.Hillary would have done the same thing- She in fact said bomb the airfields before Trump did.
Both Hillary and Trump are part of the same deep state.
That said, the entire reason of this post was to make the point that both sides ,of this always artificial debate, have been silenced and a change in tactic is required- non participation- it's always been the only way
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How Trump Became a Russia Skeptic: The Conventional Wisdom About a Kremlin-Friendly White House Is Dated

pennyforyourthoughts2 - Tue, 04/11/2017 - 17:39
 Dated or never existed?

This was the title of an article published by Wall Street Journal April 03/2017. An oped written by  Adrian Karatnycky. Nonresident Senior Fellow, Dinu Patriciu Eurasia Center.
 Expertise: Topics- Transatlantic Relations, US Foreign Policy-Regions:Poland, Russia, Ukraine Languages:Polish, Russian, Ukrainian Eight days ago.

I tried for two days to get the entire news article, but, was unsuccessful. Then got sidetracked with the real world and the attack on Syria. On April 3rd, I thought "well isn't this was an interesting admission". Not a surprising admission, at least not surprising for me. Speaking for myself I didn't believe any of the claims that Trump was Russia friendly. Not A One of them! As stated in this post: Trump's Presidency: A Dangerous Deception
 "Personally speaking here. I've never been a believer in "the Donald" as the leader of any sort of grassroots/populist movement. Nor do I buy the common presentation of the media being opposed to him. I'm also not a fan of the whole 'deep state' is against Mr Trump. I see the psychology of influence at play"What the April 03 oped suggested to me was a change in tone towards Russia, accompanied by an interesting illustration that represents that change. As you can see below
Illustration defined:
-a picture illustrating a book, newspaper, etc.
- the action or fact of illustrating something, either pictorially or by exemplification-The illustration (picture) accompanying the oped very much encapsulated, pictorially, a change that was on the horizon. The attack on Syria. The very aggressive language and threats taken against yet another sovereign nation state, Russia.

On April 04/17- One day after WSJ published the article I was able to get a few paragraphs via Fox News

 A Kremlin spokesman told ABC News on Friday that despite the new administration in Washington, Russian-American relations remain “at the lowest possible point.” Yet the spokesman also suggested that if Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin were to meet in person “there will be chance for our volatile relations to get better.”

These are telling remarks, given that only a few months ago Mr. Putin was salivating at the thought of a Trump presidency. Mr. Trump had extolled the Russian leader, declared the North Atlantic Treaty Organization “obsolete,” and hinted that the U.S. might accept Russia’s annexation of Crimea. A few years ago Steve Bannon, an influential Trump adviser, promoted the idea of a grand alliance between the West and a traditionalist Russia against secularism and Islam. Mike Flynn, a Putin-friendly recipient of Moscow’s largess, was appointed national security adviser.

Yet as the investigations continue into Trumpworld’s Russia connections, the White House has replaced these friendly soundings with a sober, decidedly hawkish stance.

As the atmosphere shifts, Russia’s state-controlled and state-directed media have begun to turn against Mr. Trump, suggesting that Moscow no longer expects a cooperative relationship., a Kremlin mouthpiece, called Mr. Trump a narcissist not long after he took office.Would've loved to read the rest- Still would! If anyone can help?

A question for readers? Stumbled across a Reuters report this morning. Can't find any updates or additional reporting regarding this news. What do you all make of this?

 Black smoke rising from Moscow's Vnukovo airport - Reuters photographer
This was the airport that Rex Tillerson was set to land at. (He's in Russia presently)
"A Reuters photographer at Moscow's Vnukovo airport said on Tuesday there was black smoke rising from a part of the airfield where planes are parked. U.S. Secretary of State Rex Tillerson is due to land at the airport on Tuesday afternoon to begin a visit to Moscow. The photographer said when the smoke was spotted, Tillerson's aircraft had yet to land. Officials at the airport could not immediately be reached for comment"
Black smoke. Some type of fuel burning?
Don't know for sure...  Is this the named airport? Not sure.
Was the Reuter's reporter expecting more?
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Turkey's Referendum: Is The Sky Really Falling?

pennyforyourthoughts2 - Mon, 04/10/2017 - 18:07
 Of course, it isn’t. Though one could excuse the powers that shouldn’t be from being concerned or having us believe that this is worrisome. 

I've gathered up a bunch of information regarding Turkey's referendum which will take place April 16/17. I omitted spin and manipulative language in order to keep the emotional reaction down to a dull roar. This was the intro post: Giant "Evet" Referendum Rally In Turkey

Some background

Turkey’s induction into NATO was covered in this post -West Unhinged Over Turkish Referendum As was the rarely mentioned roll of the US placement of missiles in Turkey aimed at Russia which actually instigated the Cuban missile crisis. It seems to me it is the Atlantacist establishment and media that are making the most noise about Turkey’s referendum. The Atlantacist, are described most accurately as the clique that comprises of the 5 Eyes Nations The five eyes are the UK, US, Canada, Australia and New Zealand.

Edward Snowden  accurately described these nations and their combined intelligence gathering capabilites cooperation as “supranational”.  Operating as an entity above the individual nation states that make up the group. What  Snowden  was saying was neither startling or bold, it was just a statement of the obvious and what one would expect from a ‘limited hangout’  I would take it further and suggest these nations work together to exercise control over many other nations states, with an eye to global manipulation. Turkey is a nation, occupied/integrated and definitely manipulated, but not well tolerated, by the  5 eyes/ NATO/Atlantacist establishment.

What is it about Turkey that necessitates such heavy control through external manipulations?

What’s that saying in real estate? Location. Location, Location. Turkey's location on the planet is  equal to prime real estate in some desired locale.
*Turkey is the land bridge between Asia and the Middle East
*Turkey is also nation state that ties Europe to the Middle East
 *An ability to traverse or an ability to deny travel in the Turkish Straits is extremely geo-strategically significant- To say the least.

*Particularly if one has an eye to marginalizing Russia!
The Turkish Straits? 
The Turkish Straits are compromised of the Bosphorus, the Sea of Marmara and the Dardanelles

The Turkish Straits (Turkish: Türk Bogazlari) are a series of internationally-significant waterways in northwestern Turkey that connect the Aegean and Mediterranean seas to the Black Sea.

They consist of the Dardanelles, the Sea of Marmara, and the Bosphorus, all part of the sovereign sea territory of Turkey and subject to the regime of internal waters. They are conventionally considered the boundary between the continents of Europe and Asia, as well as the dividing line between European Turkey and Asian Turkey.
Owing to their strategic importance in international commerce, politics, and warfare, the Turkish Straits have played a significant role in European and world history

The modern treaty controlling relations is the 1936 Montreux Convention Regarding the Regime of the Turkish Straits, which is still in force. It gives the Republic of Turkey control over warships entering the straits but guarantees the free passage of civilian vessels in peacetime.
Let's repeat that and let it sink in, ok? "It gives the Republic of Turkey control over warships entering the strait"

If you are so inclined you can read more about this waterway and the agreements for use etc.,

I'm sure that certain parties (unnamed)  believe they'd be better served if controlling the access to or denial of these straits was more amenable to their specific interests.

 Some warship related stipulations in the Montreux Convention:
-The treaty limits the access of warships from non-Black Sea nations, but allows Russia and other Black Sea states to move warships through the Turkish Straits to the Mediterranean Sea with few restrictions; -The convention also restricts outside navies’ access to the Turkish Straits and Black Sea to 21 straight days per warship, and to a maximum aggregate tonnage of 45,000 tons, with any one vessel no heavier than 15,000 tons. Non-Black Sea states must also give Turkey a 15-day notice before sending warships through the straits; Turkey is the custodian of the straits; -In case of a war “belligerent powers” would be banned from the Straits. That’s what happened during World War II, when Turkey remained neutral and neither Germany nor the USSR could use the Bosporus and the Dardanelles; -Aircraft carriers of any flag are banned from the Turkish Straits, both in times of peace and of war.And all of a sudden the overthrow of the legitimate Ukraine government makes even more sense!
Flashback : Turkey Seeks To End NATO Patrols In Aegean Sea

Back to the Turkish referendum

 Is it a threat to certain vested interests? External parties and organizations?  Perhaps it is. However since Turkey is a sovereign nation state ...  It's entirely realistic that the Turkish populace can elect to change their own constitution. Perhaps a a globalist, like David Rockefeller, a one world government kind of believer would disagree? See: James Corbett: The Unauthorized Biography of David Rockefeller. But, I'm not one of those.

From a Parliamentary System to a Presidential System
 Turkey's system right now is more like Canada's
 If the "Evet" Vote wins Turkey's system of government will be more like the US
 Below are the 18 proposed constitutional changes

Wall Street Journal - I've edited the spin to just deal with the facts of the matter
1- What is the referendum about  Turkish voters will approve or decline a group of 18 constitutional reforms that passed through parliament in December. The changes envisions creating an executive presidency like those in the U.S. and Russia, which would turn Mr. Erdogan’s mostly ceremonial office into the seat of governmentAs of stated on multiple, multiple, multiple occasions here the office of President, which is presently held by Erdogan is mostly ceremonial. The executive power has, to date, been in the office of the Prime Minister-- That fact has always been ignored
 It would reduce parliament, which currently houses the cabinet, into a purely legislative body. The draft also increases the number of lawmakers to 600 from 550, while reducing the age to run for office to 18 from 25. Another controversial shift is the president’s ability to directly and indirectly appoint constitutional court judges and other judges. (WSJ doesn't explain the mechanism between directly appointing and indirectly appointing court judges- to what courts etc) Doesn't President Trump appoint judges to the supreme and other courts? Directly or indirectly? Yes, he and all other US Presidents do exactly that, as stated by the constitution!*Supreme Court justices, court of appeals judges, and district court judges are nominated by the President and confirmed by the United States Senate, as stated in the Constitution. 2- Why do the government and Mr. Erdogan want to amend the constitution?   Such a move would reduce instability and regime crisis stemming from competing centers of power, according to Mr. Erdogan and his deputies. 3- Why is the proposal controversial? It is claimed by those that oppose this constitutional amendment that " The proposal would also weaken existing incentives for political compromise by guaranteeing one-party rule, destroy minority parties and undermine checks-and-balances, they say"Of course, we can't know if what "they say" is accurate
4  What is the campaign like?
The “Yes” vote is being spearheaded by Prime Minister Binali Yildirim and President Erdogan. They are promising to campaign in each province–and their campaign rallies are carried live on all television channels, giving them a huge reach. The “No” side doesn’t have a unified leadership, but leaders of multiple opposition parties are speaking in daily rallies to their own voters. Community activists and civil society groups are canvassing neighborhoods with their message against the reforms. Social media is also a big platform used by both side
5 What will it take for the referendum to pass Turkey has 58 million registered voters–55 million at home and 3 million expatriates–who will be eligible to cast ballots on April 16. Turnout is very important in this tight race: the referendum will pass or fail by the majority of votes cast on that day.

Interestingly DW found plenty of Kurds willing to vote "Yvet" in the referendum- No tension, but, lots of anticipation of the outcome. Thanks DW for the spin.. regarding Turkish oppression and contingency plans (manipulative) no one is saying their going to flee the nation. Being on stand by is not a surprise because I can recall that same thing happening when the last referendum took place in Quebec- Kurds are not a black and white case in Turkey- unsurprising to me. Many blame the PKK for the violence that they live through! Yes, that is the Kurds that blame the PKK- which is not a surprise, again! A Kurdish man, who loves President Erdogan? Something we'd never hear of in the west, I mean, 5 eyes media. It's an interesting 10 minutes. Give it a listen and share some thoughts.

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Giant "Evet" Referendum Rally In Turkey

pennyforyourthoughts2 - Sun, 04/09/2017 - 11:08
Consider this an introduction to a NO SPIN series on the upcoming Turkish referendum

"Evet" means Yes/yeah in Turkish. So this referendum is in support of the yes vote for constitutional change.

For background you may want to read the post linked in the sidebar West Unhinged Over Turkish Referendum. This a referendum for the Turkish people. As already stated..
"Speaking for myself I can no more condemn the Turk’s right to have a referendum on the future direction of their nation state then I could condemn Crimea for doing the same"  Certain parties have a very vested interest in demonizing (to mark out or describe as evil or culpable: the technique of demonizing the enemy in the run-up to war) Turkey and the Turkish people for daring to hold this referendum! This vested interest explains the incredibly heavy handed vilification of the referendum and of the sovereign nation state, by, those that would prefer a unipolar global tyranny. I'm not one of those people, therefore, I refuse to participate in that type of activity. I prefer to leave that to the compromised media, alt and msm and the troll armies that pollute the common discourse.

If you would like to participate in rational discussion? Great!
If you wish to employ emotional rhetoric and logical fallacies... Don't bother participating.


It's claimed in the above article their are "tens of thousands" 
Looks to me to be well over 100,000 in attendance probably even 200,000+.

You can click on the image to enlarge and see it is literally a sea of people

In my youth I attended large stadium concerts and this crowd is much larger then any I'd been in or seen! (Largest crowd I'd been in-75,000- Rich Stadium, Buffalo- General Admission madness!)

Millions gather in Istanbul to support the ‘Yes’ campaign in the upcoming referendum
Lots of women Women smiling and cheering in colourful dress- And make up!Common memes would have had me believe that women in Turkey would be shackled in the kitchen. Apparently not!


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“America First”? Really? US Takes Israeli Cue including Pretext for Attack

pennyforyourthoughts2 - Fri, 04/07/2017 - 17:39
America First?- So Donald Trump said.
America first was not apparent in the strike on Syria.
Globalist, Bankers, Israel first looked more to be the reality.
Yes, Israel, that’s what struck me about this US attack. This move echoed the usual Israeli airstrikes that benefit the terrorists in Syria. Was the US acting to benefit Israel? To take the heat off of Israel’s constant support of terrorists? Advancing the balkanization agenda?
Working towards that no fly zone? I’d say it was all of the aforementioned. As stated the so called ‘chemical attack’ was a total pretext created so US could intervene. A more  likely scenario was provided in the post relinked below:

 No Fly/Safe Zone Pretext for Syria? Cause Trump was Absolutely Going To Do Safe Zones!

 Let's entertain these thoughts, with a ht to hubby. The "rebels" or perhaps US/Israeli/UK Special OPS, (we know they are on the ground in Syria and had intelligence and the logistic capabilities to undertake such an op ) had mortar shells loaded with a chemical munition, knowing airstrikes were inevitable, they launched their mortars either in advance of and/or during airstrikes and then immediately cried wolf.  The airstrikes providing the ultimate distraction. These actors provided the US/Israel with the desired pretext. Thanks Don!

hattip Nora!
Nora TellicatApril 7, 2017 at 10:19 AMI'm sure you guys have already found this, sharing anyway. Cheers Penny!
Immediately preceding the attack the terrorists made advances. And there are reports of civilian deaths. RT
“Undoubtedly, the American attack on the Shayrat air force base was aimed at supporting terrorist groups and weakening the fighting capacity of the army of the Syrian Army, which is fighting the terrorists,” Barazi told RT. “According to recent reports, the attack resulted in the deaths of five soldiers and nine civilians and the wounding of thirteen women and children who were in the nearby Shayrat village.”There is a discrepancy between the Tomahawks launched- 59 claimed, and corresponding hits on the airbase. TASS
MOSCOW, April 7. /TASS/. Only 23 out of 59 cruise missiles fired from US warships at a Syrian air base hit the target, according to Russia’s data recording equipment, Defense Ministry spokesman Major-General Igor Konashenkov said on Friday.
The #USSPorter and #USSRoss fired #Tomahawk missiles into Syria in retaliation for the Assad regime using nerve agents against its people.— U.S. Dept of Defense (@DeptofDefense) 7 April 2017"The combat effectiveness of the US massive missile strike on Syria’s airbase was thus very low," the ministry's spokesman stressed.
"According to the data recording equipment, only 23 missiles reached the Syrian air base. The place where the other missiles fell remains unknown," the spokesman said.  Tomahawks really aren't "all that" (Superior. Admired)

In Search of a (FEW) Lost Cruise Missile - From 2003
“A Tomahawk cruise missile is not easy to lose. The very reason the U.S. military is willing to spend $750,000 a piece on the precision-guided munitions is precisely that they go exactly where they?re told. But in the past week, three U.S. Tomahawks have gone missing in the rocky plains of southeastern Turkey en route to Iraq, several hundred miles from the war zone. Five more went astray in Saudi Arabia, and a handful of others have broken up in Iran and, reportedly, Syria”
Including in the US- 2016 Tomahawk Missile Very Nearly Misses Florida Fisherman

There was scary situation Tuesday near Eglin Air Force base, where a Tomahawk missile crashed in Okaloosa County.
It happened during a Navy test run, and the missile was not armed with explosives or radioactive material.
While no one was injured, it was a close call for a fisherman who witnessed the missile crash from his boat. Making it very likely the missiles went astray and killed civilians.

U.N. ambassador Nikki Haley warns U.S. "prepared to do more" after Syria strike

This woman is vile. She should make the pussyhat feminists proud. She's the quintessential ugly American.

What about Turkey? It's reported that Russia and Turkey are still in touch! 
And talkin' Syria  Russia's foreign minister discussed Syria with his Turkish counterpart

Russia's Foreign Ministry said on Friday that Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov discussed the U.S. missile strike on Syria with his Turkish counterpart Mevlut Cavusoglu by phone. "The importance of an objective, impartial investigation into all circumstances of the tragedy in Khan Sheikhoun along with cases of chemical weapons use by terrorist groups in the past were underlined," it said in a statement, referring to Tuesday's gas attack in that town.If I had to guess at why Turkey is 'going along to get along' with the US move, I'd say one word
"Referendum"  Just 9 days away...
RescueApril 6, 2017 at 6:30 PM" As I told you Erdogan is being blackmailed by the US, instead of resigning he would rather sell Turkey down the river" Not sure how we can know that. There is the Halkbank Deputy CEO arrest, immediately preceding the Tillerson visit- Is that the blackmail situation Rescue references? I don't know. What I do know is Turkey did circumvent the US imposed sanctions to trade with Iran- the deed is done and the ire of the US is already raisedUS arrests Turkish bankerA senior executive at one of Turkey’s largest state-owned banks was arrested in the U.S. on charges of conspiring to evade trade sanctions on Iran, escalating a case that has prompted diplomatic tensions and political maneuvering between the two countries.
Mehmet Hakan Atilla, a deputy chief executive officer at Turkiye Halk Bankasi AS, is accused of conspiring with Reza Zarrab, (the US has held him for quite some time) an Iranian-Turkish gold trader, to launder hundreds of millions of dollars through the U.S. financial system on behalf of Iran and its companies.
Covered the arrest of Reza Zarrab in 2013:Turkey: Halkbank - Role in Iran Gold Transactions Legal

UPDATE: Turkish Banker is Indicted by US in Iran Sanctions Circumvention Case 

7:30 est: The indictment against Mehmet Hakan Atilla, a deputy chief executive at Turkiye Halk Bankasi AS, one of Turkey’s largest banks, is largely a legal formality that adds him as a defendant to the case against Reza Zarrab, a Turkish-Iranian businessman.
 The case against Zarrab has become a high-profile controversy in the U.S. and has roiled diplomatic relations with Turkey. Zarrab has hired former New York mayor Rudy Giuliani and ex-U.S. Attorney General Michael Mukasey to seek a resolution to his case, and the two have met with Turkish president Recep Tayyip Erdogan and sought high-level U.S. talks on his behalf. Earlier this week, a U.S. judge ordered a hearing into Giuliani and Mukasey’s activities and said he wanted to know who was paying Zarrab’s legal bills.
Strikes on Syria: Game Changer Between US and Turkey?
"There will be, however, some difficult points ahead for U.S.-Turkey relations, even if the missile strikes open space for improved cooperation. If Turkey is serious about helping, it could step forward now to provide the ground troops for safe zones to protect refugees, thereby re-establishing a solid link with the American military, which has been skeptical for some time about Turkish intentions and capabilities. Those zones must not provide a basis for military action against the Syrian Kurdish militia, the Y.P.G., or be a shelter for al-Qaeda linked groups embedded in the Turkish-backed rebel forces. Ankara already understands that Washington intends to still rely on its local forces of Kurds, Arabs, and others to complete the capture of Mosul and Raqqa, and that understanding should not be broken. Ankara did not treat Secretary of State Rex Tillerson courteously in his recent visit, seemingly ignoring the fact that he was the third and highest ranking U.S. visitor to Turkey in the last two months. Publicly lecturing the most consistent friend Turkey has had in the last 75 years is hardly productive, yet Turkey chooses to indulge in these emotional outbursts for short-term domestic gains. There is a great deal of good to be done when Turkey and the United States see eye-to-eye. These strikes provide yet another opportunity for these two countries to realize that potential" Time will tell

Do not believe there is any truth whatsoever to US claims of avoiding sarin stores at Syrian Airbase- Just utter rubbish 
 “There were measures put in place to avoid hitting what we believe is a storage of sarin gas, so that that would not be ignited and cause a hazard to civilians or anyone else,” he said.As mentioned above the US cannot control the missiles and many,  many missiles have gone astray- so there is not a way in hell that can be considered credible!

Might this explain the 60 percent failure rate ?

An electronic warfare advantage? If anyone can expand on these capabilities that would be great!

Several systems at Russia’s disposal
“To win a contemporary war, it is not enough to dominate in the air. It is necessary to secure an information advantage,” says Vladimir Balybin, Head of the research centre for radio-electronic battle and concealment efficiency. Apart from Khibiny, the Russian defence industry manufactures various types of equipment that could surprise active enemy units as well as criminals and terrorists.  Airborne forces are being re-equipped with Infauna complexes. These are installed on armoured vehicles or other military vehicles and can locate and jam enemy’s radio connection in short wave and ultra-short wave frequencies, and “put out” remotely-controlled land-bombs. They will explode but only after the Russian troops have passed by and are far enough to be safe. Infauna has another function: the optic sensors installed on both sides of the vehicle spot flashes of discharges and command laying smokes-screen to protect convoys from fire.The Lesochek device fulfils the same functions as Infauna but is portable and can fit into a backpack or a suitcase.  It can be useful at important talks for protection against most advanced security services interception systems. The Borisoglebsk-2 is the core of the radio-electronic warfare of the tactical units of the Russian army. It comprises an automated command point and four types of jamming stations – they use a single algorithm to identify and jam the sources of hostile activity on the air. The Zhitel device locates and blocks satellite and mobile phones, subscription complexes of GPS-navigation. It proved efficient during the conflict in South Ossetia by misleading Georgian drone aircraft.
From earlier today:
  1. James Corbett: The Unauthorized Biography of David Rockefeller
  2. Turkey Referendum: CIA-NATO Operation to Tip the Balance of Power
  3. Where is my Anthropogenic Global Warming- Snow!
The previous day:
  1. US Launches Airstrikes Against Syria- Military Intervention Begins
  2. No Fly/Safe Zone Pretext for Syria? Cause Trump was Absolutely Going To Do Safe Zones!
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James Corbett: The Unauthorized Biography of David Rockefeller

pennyforyourthoughts2 - Fri, 04/07/2017 - 10:36

Episode 316 – The Unauthorized Biography of David Rockefeller David Rockefeller is dead. But what does it mean? How do we measure the life of someone who has shaped the modern world to such an extent? Join us for this week’s edition of The Corbett Report where we examine David Rockefeller’s life, his works and the world that he left in his wake.
Excellent little video- worth the hour for sure! Corbett Report

Transcript available here

From earlier today:
And yesterday:

 Later today, I'll have some news regarding Syria- waiting for the dust to settle while gathering links... 
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Turkey Referendum: CIA-NATO Operation to Tip the Balance of Power

pennyforyourthoughts2 - Fri, 04/07/2017 - 10:27
PeterApril 6, 2017 at 4:36 PMSibel Edmonds is predicting Erdogan assassination in the next few weeks.
Took the time to watch the video.
Dated before the airstrikes took place,but, still worth watching IMO- William Engdahl appears

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Where is my Anthropogenic Global Warming- Snow!

pennyforyourthoughts2 - Fri, 04/07/2017 - 07:29
I do not buy the commonly presented concept of AGW- nor the necessity for the imposition of taxes on life aka carbon taxes.

It's April 07/2017 and here in southern Ontario the ground is fully covered with snow, looks to be about two inches/5 cm and it's still snowing and blowing- The trees have not unfurled their leaves and snow drops and crocuses have opened this past week.

We have two family birthdays around this time of year.. and they've been consistently cold and dreary for years now- Including snow- However ten plus years ago they were more spring like and sometimes even summer like- But not anymore!

Where is the warming?

Update 11:22 am est and the snowfall is getting lighter (smaller flakes) and wetter. Yahoo
Looking forward to some warmer temps in a couple of days

Just remember..Cold Weather is Much Deadlier Then Extreme Heat

A final thought: All this alleged concern about carbon doesn't impede the war machine ever. 
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US Launches Airstrikes Against Syria- Military Intervention Begins

pennyforyourthoughts2 - Thu, 04/06/2017 - 21:20
Donald Trump launches US air strikes against Assad regime in Syria with 59 Tomahawk missiles as military intervention begins Syrian state TV slams American 'aggression'2:53AM Syrian state TV reports: "American aggression targets Syrian military targets with a number of missiles."

Trump: air strikes in the 'vital national security interest' of USPresident Donald Trump has said the strike on Syria was in the "vital national security interest" of the United States
Trump calls on "civilised nations" to join the US in "seeking to end the slaughter and bloodshed in Syria".
He said there can be no dispute that the Assad regime used chemical weapons, referring to Mr Assad as the Syrian dictator.
He said years of attempting to change Assad's behaviour had failed.2:44AMIs Israel going to join in tonight too? Early am Syrian time. Australia is considering involvement.. unsurprisingly
Trump's first use of military forceHis administration is less than three months old, but Mr Trump has already ordered military intervention in the Middle East - an act that contrasts sharply with both his statements on the campaign trail about the "disasters" of previous US military action in the region and the relative caution with which the Obama administration approached the question of whether to attack the Assad regime.2:40AM
Runways, aircraft and fuel points targettedRunways, aircraft and fuel points at the base were the targets of the air strikes, US official reportedly state.
The air strikes happened at 3.45am local time (1.45am GMT + 1).2:35AM
Airfield used in Tuesday's chemical weapons attack struckThe Shayrat air base, near Homs in central Syria, was struck by the missiles, which were fired from two US vessels stationed in the Mediterranean.
The base is believed by US officials to have been used by Syrian jets in the chemical weapons attack on Tuesday.
It is not thought to be a large air base, and that 50-60 missiles would do serious damage.
At least 83 people died in Tuesday's attack, including 30 children. The atrocity changed Mr Trump's attitude to the Syria civil war and Bashar al-Assad.Hillary Clinton calls for U.S. to bomb Syrian air fields- Just hours before the strikes hit In her first interview since her stunning presidential election defeat by Republican rival Donald Trump, Hillary Clinton on Thursday called for the United States to bomb Syrian air fields.I think we should have been more willing to confront Assad," Clinton said in the interview, conducted by New York Times columnist Nicholas Kristof. "I really believe we should have and still should take out his air fields and prevent him from being able to use them to bomb innocent people and drop sarin gas on them."
Clinton noted that she had advocated for a no-fly zone in Syria after leaving government, something that Obama opposed.
Despicable. Just despicable!! This news really disgusted and saddened me

Read from earlier today
No Fly/Safe Zone Pretext for Syria? Cause Trump was Absolutely Going To Do Safe Zones!
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No Fly/Safe Zone Pretext for Syria? Cause Trump was Absolutely Going To Do Safe Zones!

pennyforyourthoughts2 - Thu, 04/06/2017 - 15:51
January 25/17: Trump to 'absolutely do safe zones'
April 01/2017  US Access to 5, yes 5, Air Installations In Stolen Northern Syria

Ok, honestly I can't stay away from this, though, I really, really want to. My back is killing me today! The US has been advancing unjustly, illegally and immorally in Syria. As covered most recently in a series of post regarding the sudden US move to Tabqa. 

Read: Taking Raqqa: Dam, Airport Captured- US Deal with Kurds On Syrian Territory , Raqqa & Mosul To Fall in Unison- Tillerson Accelerating IS Fight  , US Attack on Raqqa Updated..US Launched "Surprise" Attack On Raqqa. Blocking SAA/Hezbollah/Russian Forces ,Double Standards and Lies: Splitting Syria for Greater Kurdistan

Israel's political class simply drools at the prospect of an attack on Syria.
Read Winds of War Blow From Israel's Borders..Israel came out immediately and called for an intervention in Syria, led by Trump. Immediately!
Read: April 04/17 Israel Urges Action Against Syria With Trump In the Lead
 No other nation state demanded immediate action on the very day of the alleged incident!
These  two parties, Israel and US, are the two nation states, most interested in employing a pretext to justify their desired actions. 

Considering the reality..... let's read a round up of news

Moreover, the first reports of the chemical attack in the province of Idlib appeared a few hours before the Syrian Air Forces conducted an airstrike on an al-Nusra Front ammunition depot on April 4, Walid Muallem noted.

"The chemical attack in Khan Shaykhun was reported at 06:00 am, while the first airstrike by the Syrian army on an ammunition depot of al-Nusra terrorists with chemical weapons inside it was carried out at 11:00 am," Muallem said.
That's a five hour discrepancy- Five hours- Five hours

Is this a crater from an airstrike?
I thought airstrikes would leave bigger holes, but, perhaps I'm mistaken?

 If I was to speculate... Let's entertain these thoughts, with a ht to hubby. The "rebels" or perhaps US/Israeli/UK Special OPS, (we know they are on the ground in Syria and had intelligence and the logistic capabilities to undertake such an op ) had mortar shells loaded with a chemical munition, knowing airstrikes were inevitable they launched their mortars in advance of and during airstrikes and then immediately cried wolf.  The airstrikes providing the ultimate distraction. These actors provided the US/Israel with the desired pretext.

Richard Haass CFR: Syrian Reaction Could Separate Trump From Obama

 President Donald Trump has a "major opportunity" to differentiate himself from former President Barack Obama by how he handles the reaction to this week's chemical bomb attack in Syria.

 Haass told MSNBC's "Morning Joe" program. "I think in Syria actually, given what he said yesterday, even if he hadn't said it, I believe there is a need to act there militarily.

"There is a whole range of options we can talk about what we might do to penalize the government. It says we are more involved there. It says you can't use a weapon of mass destruction with impunity."

 "I believe it is a necessity for the United States to say to anyone that uses a weapons of mass destruction that they will pay a price," said Haass. "It doesn't mean we go to war or switch to regime change. It means we need to find discreet military actions to possibly help the Syrian people and that will send a major message of reassurance throughout the Middle East," "The Russians are saying this is about the rebels," said Haass. "I think when the history is potentially written of this administration, this week could turn out to be pivotal." This week could be pivotal.

The American/British  media has been running with the news that Turkey said, as in verified Assad used chemical weapons- If anyone who reads here can find information that credibly bolsters this claim let me know? I've read several articles today, and I mean, close to a dozen articles and there is NO claim of a connection to Assad and this chemical weapon incident. Despite the screaming headlines when one reads through the numerous articles available it all seems like more speculation, if not total misdirection from the Anglo media

Huffington Post
“Based on the test results, evidence was detected in patients which leads one to think they were exposed to a chemical substance (sarin), the statement said. If you had evidence you would KNOW about exposure, you would not THINK about it.

DS and a different quote regarding chemical exposure
 The Turkish Health Ministry said Thursday that, "according to the results of the first analysis, there were findings suggesting that the patients were exposed to chemical substance (Sarin)," without elaborating.
"Detected evidence" - which presents as more definitive vs "findings suggesting"- not definitive.
Logic follows that a suggested finding of possible exposure to a chemical substance does not imply "Assad did it" But there is a whole lot of spinnin' going on.

A few of the additional stories I read regarding Turkey's alleged, but actually, non existent confirmation This, that and another

Tillerson is stating Assad has to go
Tillerson on Assad: "Clearly with the acts that he has taken it would seem there would be no role for him to govern the Syrian people."— ABC News (@ABC) April 6, 2017
I have not promoted the idea, ever, that Tillerson was ok with Assad staying! Despite his language while in Turkey. He was speaking in another country. Turkey.  A country that had long accepted that Assad wasn't going anywhere. A country that was dealing with the instability at their border and not looking for more of it!

It was far more important to me that Nikki Haley had stated at a CFR meeting
From this post:
“I’m not going to go back into should Assad be in or out, been there, done that, right, in terms of what the US has done,” she told the Council of Foreign Relations.But I will tell you that he is a big hindrance in trying to move forward, Iran is a big hindrance in trying to move forward.” Nikki Haley told the CFR- a globalist elitist cabal- that Assad was a big hindrance in moving forward, which equalled, in my mind- ASSAD HAS TO GO. Most everyone ignored this statement to claim Tillerson was ok with Assad staying- baloney!

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Nikkey Haley Channels Samantha Powers at UN- Threatens Go It Alone

pennyforyourthoughts2 - Wed, 04/05/2017 - 11:38
The times they aren't a changin'

I listened to the UN meeting on line and could have swore Nikkey Haley was channeling Samantha Power- it was eerie..

Nikki Haley- Children as emotional props? Check!

Mrs. Haley stood up and held photographs of child victims of a reported chemical attack Tuesday in the Idlib province.

She implored members to look at the pictures and rally around an appropriate response.

“There are times when we are compelled to do more than just talk,” Mrs. Haley said. The speech featured a sharp and direct rebuke of Russia
 “Russia cannot escape responsibility for this,” she said. “The truth is that Assad, Russia and Iran have no interest in peace,” Mrs. Haley said.

Samantha Power- Children as emotional props? Check! 

 ‘Is there no execution of a child that gets under your skin?  “To the Assad regime, Russia, and Iran, your forces and proxies are carrying out these crimes,”

Nikki Haley going full mad dog- frothing and foaming
The US has hinted at taking its own action in Syria unless the UN Security Council moves to prevent the use of chemical weapons in the war-torn country.  When the United Nations consistently fails in its duty to act collectively, there are times in the life of states that we are compelled to take our own action,” the US ambassador to the UN said.
It's obvious that the US is already taking it's "own action" regarding Syria and the region with an eye to expanding their war/profit making death machinations exponentially-

Why else would the US be needing 5 airbases of varying capabilities in stolen Syrian territory?

As I mentioned Saturday April 1st/17: 
US Access to 5, yes 5, Air Installations In Stolen Northern Syria With the capture of a strategic airfield in northern Syria this week from Islamic State, U.S.-backed forces and the American military have access to five air installations in the region, a network that can prove decisive in the fight against Islamic State, according to U.S. officials and analysts. March 26/2017:  Taking Raqqa: Dam, Airport Captured- US Deal with Kurds On Syrian Territory
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Israel Urges Action Against Syria With Trump In the Lead

pennyforyourthoughts2 - Tue, 04/04/2017 - 09:58
Alleged chemical attack in Syria- I'm not digging into it at all.  Syria, Turkey and Russia have ZERO interest in engaging in an attack like this, if it did occur at all!

Who benefits and who does not from such an attack , real or staged, occurring at this time?

1- From a PR perspective? On the world stage ahead of the Geneva meeting?

2- Which nation state in the middle east will directly benefit the most from the destruction of Syria?

3 - Which nation state in the middle east will benefit the most from creation of a Kurdish state on Syria's former northern border?

4- Which global war entity will benefit from having bases in that Kurdish state, enabling them to escalate war, targeting additional nation states?

The answers to those question tell us who would benefit the most from this incident, real or fake, and point us to the most likely perpetrators..

Israel sure comes to my mind : Grab your barf bag- You'll need it

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu “sharply condemned” the attack and called on the international community to complete the process of removing all of Syria’s chemical weapons stockpiles. “When I saw pictures of babies suffocating from a chemical attack in Syria, I was shocked and outraged. There’s no, none, no excuse whatsoever for the deliberate attacks on civilians and on children, especially with cruel and outlawed chemical weapons,” he said in English at a memorial service for president Chaim Herzog.I'm going to remind all  my readers that in 2014-  Removal of Chemical Weapons From Syria Is Completed: Chemicals Will Be Destroyed Aboard a U.S. Ship
 All the dangerous substances from Syria's chemical weapons program, including sulfur mustard and precursors of sarin, have now been removed from the country after a monthslong process, a Hague-based watchdog agency said Monday. No where is this information mentioned in today's reports.... Why?
An unconscious Syrian child is carried at a hospital in Khan Sheikhun, a rebel-held town in the northwestern Syrian Idlib province, following a suspected toxic gas attack on April 4, 2017.
 So this unconscious child has been doused with toxic gas and this guy is carrying the child close to his face without harm? Without discomfort?  Seems a bit questionable?

Bibi continues:
He also said the lack of action proved the international community was not to be trusted to come to Israel’s aid. “This terrible war underlines our main imperative– we will always defend ourselves with our own strength, against any enemy and any threat,” He also called on US President Donald Trump to lead an international effort to stop the “chemical massacre.” “Children are choking to death. The world MUST ACT against the chemical massacre in Syria. I call upon President Trump to lead this effort,” he wrote on Twitter.Bennett did not specify against whom any form of action should be taken.Children are choking to death.
The world MUST ACT against the chemical massacre in Syria.
I call upon President Trump to lead this effort.— Naftali Bennett בנט (@naftalibennett) April 4, 2017The Syrian Coalition, an opposition group based outside the country, said government planes carried out the chemical attack on Khan Sheikhoun, south of the city of Idlib, the provincial capital. The Britain-based monitor Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said the warplanes released “toxic gas” in the town but could not confirm the nature of the material. A British doctor at the scene tweeted that the chemical released was sarin gas.Sarin gas... and the guy pictured is carrying the child with no suit or mask?
My other question is how is it the guy that is carrying the child was not affected by the release of so called "sarin"?

This photo provided Tuesday, April 4, 2017 by the Syrian anti-government activist group Edlib Media Center, which has been authenticated based on its contents and other AP reporting, shows victims of a suspected chemical attack, in the town of Khan Sheikhoun, northern Idlib province, SyriaWell, well, well, isn't that authorative... "authenticated based on it's contents"

Let's talk about this authentication via one image-- The only authentication possible from this image and even this is a stretch.. is that this picture was taken in the locale claimed- But even that is tough to accept as fact, because stone/block walls surely exist in many towns and cities

The media keeps calling this a suspected attack- I suggest the whole incident is SUSPECT. Questionable. And should not be taken at face value.
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Tatar Terror in St Petersburg? A Message from the West?

pennyforyourthoughts2 - Mon, 04/03/2017 - 15:52
Following up on today's news out of St Petersburg, Russia.. Breaking from Russia: St Petersburg Metro Blast

Anyone who is going to engage in these types of attacks has to know that CCTV camera is going to pick up your image at some point in time.

Two suspects are being tracked down- This is the first image made public of one of the suspects.

 Link-  My first thoughts upon seeing the image? Tatars. Crimea. Ukraine. Turkey
There is a message in this attack and the attackers employed. Certainly, this perpetrator, was selected for a specific reason. (Actual Tatar or presenting as one..)

April 05/17 Update * The previously pictured suspect has been question and cleared-
*** My wondering about a Crimean/Tatar Connection Still Stands

Tatars of Crimea have been very loyal to the West, including asking for their assistance.  
I'm pretty sure the West has groomed Tatar terrorists as destabilizers- with their proximity to Russia they would be ideal candidates for such training. And, no this is not the work of Turkey. Not in my book. If this is a Tatar it is not to Turkey's benefit to be a party to this. 
Could be that another party is interested in stirring up trouble between Turkey and Russia-- thinking of the Ambassador being killed......

Crimean Tatar Leader Asks West to Help Ukraine Get Crimea Back

Chairman of the Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar People, Ukrainian MP Refat Chubarov calls on the West to help Ukraine get Russian-annexed Crimea back, according to an UNIAN correspondent.
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Breaking from Russia: St Petersburg Metro Blast

pennyforyourthoughts2 - Mon, 04/03/2017 - 07:56
Breaking news
Perhaps as many as 10 dead. Possibly up to 50 injured.
Several updates already- scroll down


A suspected IED explosion inside a car of the St. Petersburg Metro system has resulted in casualties among passengers. The entire transit system has been shut down as bomb squads and rescuers are responding to the emergency. The explosion happened as the train was travelling between the stations Tekhnologichesky Institut and Sennaya Ploshchad of the St. Petersburg Metro, the National Antiterrorism Committee confirmed, adding that there was an unspecified number of fatalities from the blast.
Preliminary reports indicate that some 10 people may have been killed and 20 injured in the blast, news agencies said citing sources close to the investigation.В Петербурге на станции "Технологический институт" произошёл взрыв в вагоне метро.— Лентач (@the_lentach) April 3, 2017Russian President Vladimir Putin has pledged a thorough investigation.
The causes of this event have not been determined yet, so it’s too early to talk about [possible causes]. The investigation will show. Certainly, we will consider all variants, common, criminal, first of all, of a terrorist nature,” he said.В Питере взрыв в метро— Philipp Kireev (@mynameisphiIipp) April 3, 2017All of the metro stations have been closed for passengers.
В метро Санкт-Петербурга произошел взрыв, есть пострадавшие— сторожевая башня (@cnn_russian) April 3, 2017Some of the images show several bodies lying next to the damaged car, with blood apparently spilt on a bench.
Link for updates from RT


Putin was either present or going to be in St Petersburg today:

Vladimir Putin is visiting St Petersburg, as deadly explosions are reported to have injured scores of people. The Russian president was due to meet with his Belarusian counterpart, Alexander Lukashenko, in the city when the explosions happened. It isn't clear whether Mr Putin was already in the city at the time of the blasts.
Lukashenko expressed condolences

ST. PETERSBURG, 3 April (BelTA) - Belarus President Alexander Lukashenko has expressed condolences to Russia President Vladimir Putin over the victims of an explosion in the St. Petersburg metro system, BelTA informs.
“It is awful that it happened in these moments. In such moments you always hope to avoid a worse outcome. Unfortunately, we faced such problems in Minsk,” the Belarusian head of state said.
Interesting at this time very little to nearly no coverage out of US or Canada

9:26 est - Twin Blasts?

Two Russia metro blasts kill at least 10: sourceMOSCOW // At least ten people have been killed in explosions that hit the St Petersburg metro system on Monday, according to a source in the Russian city’s emergency services.
There were blasts in two train carriages at two metro stations, St Petersburg emergency services said.
News agency Interfax cited a source as saying at least one of the blasts involved a device filled with shrapnel. The agency also said that 20 people had been injured.So same train, explosives in two carriages?

Update 9:37 am est

Not two blasts?

At least 10 people were killed in an explosion in St Peterburg’s metro system on Monday, Russian authorities said. The blast happened in a train in between two stations, a source in Russia’s emergency services said. Russian media reported earlier that there were two blasts.
Just 1 blast, confirmed according to RT's latest - which seems about right from the earliest reports and the available footage

  • 14:22 GMTA self-made explosive device has been defused at another St. Petersburg Metro station – Ploshchad Vosstaniya, Russia’s National Anti-Terrorism Committee said.
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US Access to 5, yes 5, Air Installations In Stolen Northern Syria

pennyforyourthoughts2 - Sat, 04/01/2017 - 18:47
With the capture of a strategic airfield in northern Syria this week from Islamic State, U.S.-backed forces and the American military have access to five air installations in the region, a network that can prove decisive in the fight against Islamic State, according to U.S. officials and analysts.March 26/2017:  Taking Raqqa: Dam, Airport Captured- US Deal with Kurds On Syrian Territory
Two U.S. officials told VOA that American engineers and crews were working on repairing and restoring the airfield near Tabqa dam that was taken by the U.S.-backed Syrian Democratic Forces on Sunday.

U.S. General Carlton Everhart, commander of the Air Force's Air Mobility Command, told VOA that his men had airlifted SDF forces behind IS lines to allow them to launch the attack that captured the airfield.March 22/2017: US Launched "Surprise" Attack On Raqqa. Blocking SAA/Hezbollah/Russian Forces
Everhart would not confirm or deny whether his men were repairing the Tabqa airfield, because of operational security, but said his men would be able to “do so at a moment's noticeThe capture of Tabqa airfield comes as the U.S.-led coalition has been quietly increasing its aerial capability in northern Syria to include more landing areas and bases for taking the fight to IS.Kobani to play role
U.S. military officials and SDF commanders told VOA on Friday that an airbase in Kobani will be the headquarters for U.S.-led coalition operations to retake Raqqa.

The Kobani base includes an airfield that was built from scratch by U.S. forces, they said. The base has been “up and running for a while,” one U.S. military official said, but is “still a work in progress.”

Speaking on condition of anonymity, the U.S. military official said the airbase about 110 kilometers north of Raqqa would be used in the same way as Qayyarah Airfield West in Iraq is being used for operations to retake Mosul.

Silveria, the deputy commander of U.S. Air Forces Central Command, told reporters that Air Force engineers had restored a Syrian airfield so it is capable of receiving regular shipments of ammunition and supplies. In March alone, Silveria said, the airfield was used for at least 50 landings by C-17s and more than 100 landings by C-130 military cargo planes.The Kobani airfield “is used more due to its size and because it is better equipped,” SDF commander Nasser Haj Mansour told VOA.Kobani and the newly seized airfield in Tabqa increase the capability of the U.S.-led coalition to strike from the air and resupply troops on the ground.Kobani and Tabqa plus three equals 5 accessible bases- Equals permanent occupation by the US of annexed, by the Kurds,  northern Syria
Those bases add to three others already controlled by U.S. allies in the region: Syrian Kurds built an airbase last year on farmland known as Abu Hajar airport in the Rmelan area and nearly doubled the length of the runaway to initially allow for delivery of cargo. Two other airfields in the region, one formerly used for agricultural purposes and the other a former Syrian military base, have also been expanded by Kurdish forces.
Recall my post from 2014?  Kurdistan. NATO’s new Southern Flank?
Yes, I wrote that in November 2014- It is now April 01/2017

If all goes well for NATO, Israel and the Kurds.  Turkey will be supplanted as NATO’s Southern Flank. It seems to be just a matter of time.....
Like I’ve said for years, all done in plain sight- Right before all our eyes.

Out with Turkey and in with a new NATO friendly Kurdistan. But more then just NATO friendly? Also oil rich. And very friendly with Israelfresh crow pie For all my attackers/detractors - please step up for your oversized piece of crow pie!

Brief digression...

I have to admit, it has astounded me to think of all the PKK/YPG cheerleaders, yes, they really are the same, so many of you, wacky cult like followers, marxist dingalings, cheering for a bunch of terrorists/drug dealers/ organ traffickers being armed by America to destroy nation after nation. All who wrote rubbish like the Kurds are  “the only reliable proxy force available to the U.S.”  Bullocks! You all supported the war machine- Every last one of you.  As you cheered the kurdish militas you also cheered for ethnic cleansing of tens and tens of thousands- The murders. The rapes. The displacement. The weaponized migration.The msm and the alternative media both sold the lies hook, line and sinker. The truth really was staring us all in the face. This chapter in recent history really clarified, in my mind, who or where I should look for trusted sources and who/where I should not look. While also reinforcing  the idea of trusting one’s own judgement- Employing logic- Understanding logical fallacies. And thinking for ones self- while questioning everything and everyone.  Only, after informing oneself to the best of one's own ability! It was a learning experience :)

Alternatives to Turkey's Incirlik-

As stated previously
"However, analysts note that the U.S.-led coalition's efforts to upgrade air facilities in northern Syria could eventually reduce its reliance on the Incirlik base.Any alternative to Incirlik reduces Turkish bargaining power and leverage,” said Michael Rubin, a former Pentagon official who is now an analyst with the American Enterprise Institute in Washington"August 2015: Is Turkey Heading to Partition? American Enterprise Institute
 Well, well, well. So let’s see I’ve been prognosticating the destabilization/destruction of Turkey for how long now? I had dropped hints through out the blog on many an occasion.2014: Kurd/ ISIS Symbiosis- The impending destruction of TurkeyUS/IsraelKurds........................ISIS2014: Pt.2- Kurd/ ISIS Symbiosis- The impending destruction of Turkey
 After that two post kick off  there have been numerous other posts delving deeper into and expanding a bit more on the subject of Kurd/ISIS symbiosis leading to the impending destruction of Turkey. The Kurd/ISIS symbiosis is not coincidence. That symbiosis points to a cohesion. As stated here on multiple occasions.
I took my lumps for this theory. I was derided. Attacked. Trolls visited. I seem to have been blocked from gatekeeper sites for pointing out what appeared obvious to me.


All those civilians still living in Raqqa- Most of them Arabs- Once they leave, if they can make it out- they will not be coming back.

 CENTCOM: More U.S. artillery troops may be needed in Raqqa

Gen. Joseph Votel, commander of U.S. Central Command, told Congress more U.S. troops may be needed to support the Syrian Democratic Forces' offensive to capture Raqqa.RT:

“While exploring the northern side of the SDF-controlled part of the Tabqa dam, the RT crew – which became the first international news channel to film there – managed to catch a glimpse of US soldiers embedded with the Wrath of Euphrates operation.”US soldiers were always embedded with the "wrath of Euphrates" operation.


US military delivers equipment to Kurdish forces in northern Raqqa: report “A lot of New weapons and Tanks arrived to SDF to use in Raqqa battle,” Hassan posted on Twitter today.

And Finally- Got this graphic from Scott @ Willy Loman How the Greater Kurdistan Project Works in One Simple Graphic A one word title for this simple, effective graphic "KurdIShIS"

 hatip to Scott, again
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Mossad Turned French Spies Into Double Agents after Syria Operation

pennyforyourthoughts2 - Sat, 04/01/2017 - 10:18
Now, here is something very interesting.. This news  certainly had me recalling the chemical attack in Ghouta, Syria 2013.- Conveniently timed and staged I believed then, as I do now, that whatever occurred in Ghouta, the hand of Israel was behind it. Others blamed Turkey, nonsense, Turkey and the US had already hit their rough patch- Incirlik troubles were ongoing...Israeli intelligence played a central role in the entire narrative. Israeli intelligence had allegedly captured reports of SAA doing the deed. 

August 2013- Syrian strikes sooner rather then later
Oh and guess which nation is providing ‘evidence’ about the chemical attack? Israeli intelligence seen as central to US case against Syria. Yup, Israeli ‘intelligence’ That should say it all.

While Israel would almost certainly take no direct part in a military strike, Israeli intelligence information is widely believed to have played a central role in enabling the US’s adamant conviction that Assad’s regime fired chemical weaponsConnected? Maybe? The timing is all right. The recruitment of the Syrian engineer is interesting too. As for the involvement of France? Hardly a shocker.
Le Monde reveals how Israeli espionage agency allegedly exploited a successful chemical weapons operation to get French counterparts to become sources; former head of French counterintelligence agency being questioned as suspect in case.

PARIS – An internal report written by French intelligence, parts of which were published in the daily newspaper Le Monde on Sunday, reveal efforts by the Mossad to develop relationships with French spies, “to the point of crossing the line of turning them into double agents.”

The audit report recommends investigating Bernard Squarcini, the head of the General Directorate for Internal Security until 2012, on suspicion of maintaining unauthorized and unreported ties with the Mossad’s Paris bureau chief at the time (identified in the report only by his initials, D.K.).Bernard Squarcini, director of the French Intelligence agency in 2011The background to all this was a joint operation launched by the Mossad and French counterintelligence agency in 2010 to collect intelligence about Syrian President Bashar Assad’s chemical warfare plans. The operation, code-named Ratafia, aimed to recruit a senior Syrian engineer, who was meant to come to France to do additional training in chemistry and also to help recruit other engineers.

The Mossad and French agents would hold work meetings using assumed names, as is customary. The French agents, who belonged to three different counterintelligence units, were responsible for the operation in Paris, while the Mossad agents were responsible for the plot that would enable the Syrian target to leave the country for studies and to recruit others in the French capital.

But according to the report, the Israelis exploited the operation to persuade an unknown number of French agents to also serve as intelligence sources for Israel.
One of the French agents under surveillance was seen going up to the apartment of the Mossad’s Paris chief for dinner one Friday night. Later, he reported to his superiors that he was going to Dubai on vacation, when in fact he flew with his family to Israel, where he spent time with Mossad agents without permission and without reporting the meetings afterward.

In addition, according to the report, suspicious sums of money were deposited in the bank accounts of those French agents who were involved in the Ratafia operation.

The internal report calls for further investigation to understand what damage was done to the French intelligence service.

Le Monde also published details about the Ratafia operation. The paper claimed that the Mossad succeeded in recruiting the Syrian engineer and extracted information from him about Assad’s chemical weapons arsenal.

The French daily said the operation enabled Israel to prove that the scientific cooperation between the European Union and Syria was being used to boost Assad’s chemical weapons program, which led to the cancellation of the agreement with the Syrians in 2011.

According to Le Monde, the Mossad’s interest in building relations with French spies was exposed because a different French espionage agency, responsible for information security, was keeping the agents under surveillance and photographed them with Mossad agents.

The paper said that all the Mossad agents involved were identified by their real names. The French filed a formal complaint, and two Israeli diplomats in the Israeli Embassy in Paris left their posts and returned to Israel. The Mossad chief, D.K., also returned to Israel following the French complaint.

According to the report, the two Mossad agents suspected of contacts with the French have left the service and are now private businessmen in Tel Aviv. ( probably still Mossad agents) But during 2016, the report noted, they made contact with Squarcini (the counterintelligence head they’d worked with) in Paris.

Squarcini, who is now being questioned as a suspect in the case, told investigators he met the two “totally by chance.”

A short time before the suspicions came to light, Squarcini himself launched an internal inquiry into whether the Mossad was trying to recruit French agents as sources. However, the agents he put under surveillance did not include those involved in the Ratafia operation, even though Squarcini was fully aware of the close ties that had developed between his people and the Mossad operatives, the report said. So Squaracini engaged in intentionally deceptive/distractive behaviour to take the heat off of himself- Sure looks that way!
An investigating judge appointed by the French filed an official request with Israel to question the two ex-Mossad agents who made contact with Squarcini in 2016. It isn’t clear if he received a response.

The judge is seeking to build on the internal investigative report and broaden the investigation into whether the Mossad infiltrated French intelligence under Squarcini.MEM
Why does Israel do such a thing? Does it really need to spy on its allies in Paris, given that France is already an enthusiastic supporter of its brutal and racist colonisation of occupied Palestine?

Although France, like Israel’s other European allies, makes toothless public objections to its wars and continued settlement building on stolen Palestinian land, these are understood, quite correctly, to be meaningless. While the governments of France and Britain claim in public to be against Israel’s settlements, they actually support them in practice, by continuing not only to allow goods produced in the illegal colonies to be sold in Europe, but also to seek more and upgraded economic ties with the apartheid state.

Furthermore, both countries go out of their way to undermine BDS, the Palestinian-initiated and led boycott, divestment and sanctions movement, and other forms of pro-Palestine solidarity. The British government last year initiated new regulations for universities, local councils and other public bodies which it touted in the press as a “BDS ban”. A closer look at the actual policy revealed that it was no such thing, and BDS is still very much legal.

France has also joined the Israeli-led “war” against BDS. It has pursued BDS activists aggressively, banned Palestine solidarity demonstrations and maintains an extremely laissez faire attitude towards the French branch of the Jewish Defence League (the LDJ) and its acts of terror against Palestine solidarity campaigners, especially Jewish comrades, who the LDJ regards as “traitors”.

The France Palestine Solidarity Association (AFPS) revealed earlier this month that an apparent front group for the LDJ has issued death threats against the movement, warning it off from continuing its BDS activism. The group in question posted online personal information about AFPS activists, revealing home phone numbers and addresses in a clear attempt to intimidate them, a malicious practice known as doxxing.
I'm pretty sure I have a post here on this group and their activities in France and how France let's them get away with all manner of brutal crimes- Going to have to dig that one up and relink it

The LDJ is probably the world’s most extreme, violent and organised branch of the JDL outside of occupied Palestine. In June last year, one of its leaders was allowed by the French authorities to skip the country and head to Israel in order to avoid a year in jail after a series of “extremely violent and coordinated attacks” against pro-Palestine activists in Paris in 2012.

The AFPS said that it considers the French authorities to be directly liable for this. “Their inaction is interpreted as encouragement by violent groups such as the LDJ, which the French authorities have permitted to thrive instead of disbanding them.”France 24

Israel has a long track record of spying on its Western “allies”, who have a record of spying right back on Israel. The US and Britain seemingly do not really trust their “great friend” Israel when push comes to shove, which really begs us to ask why, if that is the case, our governments spend so much energy on protecting and supporting the Zionist state.Canada's government should answer that same question- Why spend so much energy and money supporting the Zionist state?

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