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Syria’s De- Escalation Zones Not to be Confused with “Safe Zones”

pennyforyourthoughts2 - Fri, 05/05/2017 - 10:04
The 5 eyes media insisted on labeling the de-escalation zones as safe zones, when it was apparent they didn’t fit that general description. Neither are these “no fly zones” in the sense that SAA or Russian military flying is explicitly prevented from flying in them.

Putin made a clear statement in regard to no over flying of  the de-escalation zones
"If there is a de-escalation zone, then planes will not fly there on condition that no military activity emanates from these zones," said the Russian leader”
image accompanying National article
A "no fly zone" generally allows  certain protected parties to make ground attacks, as desired, knowing that full protection is granted under the "no fly" enforcement. Covered in this post:  Safe Zones an Inducement to Increase Human Misery


At best this de-confliction deal seems to be an attempt to freeze the conflict in Syria.
Which does not suggest there will be no hostilities. "Just Security"
"Many news outlets are reporting that Russia, Turkey and Iran have agreed to create so-called “safe zones” in Syria as part of the ceasefire talks taking place in Astana, Kazakhstan. However, the details of the agreement they signed Thursday reveal a different picture.
The memorandum lays the foundation to create de-escalation areas in Idlib and parts of neighboring Latakia, Hama and Aleppo, in northern parts of Homs, in eastern Ghouta (Rif Dimashq governorate), and in Deraa and Al-Quneitra (see here for a map). Within these areas, hostilities will cease between the government of Syria and armed opposition groups that have joined the ceasefire. Along the borders of these areas, “security zones” composed of observation posts and checkpoints will be set up to prevent military confrontations between these parties, to ensure the movement of unarmed civilians and the delivery of humanitarian assistance, and to facilitate economic activities. The armed forces of Russia, Turkey, and Iran are meant to ensure the functioning and administration of these security zones (it is unclear if this entails placing their own troops on the ground). Maps of de-escalation areas and security zones are expected to be completed by June 4"The Memorandum as shown below



"While the fighting in de-escalation areas shall cease between Syrian forces and the groups that are party to the ceasefire regime, the memorandum foresees that there may be armed opposition groups that are not party to the ceasefire. In addition, the memorandum states that Russia, Turkey and Iran will take all necessary measures to continue the fight against ISIL, Nusra Front and other entities associated with ISIL or al-Qaeda, both within and outside the de-escalation areas.
These details make it apparent that the de-escalation areas are not designed to be “safe zones.” As described in an earlier post, international humanitarian law (IHL) foresees the establishment, by agreement between the parties to the conflict, of zones to shelter persons from the effects of hostilities. Hospital and safety zones can be set up to protect the wounded and sick, as well as certain categories of civilians, from the effects of armed conflict. These are typically set up far from the area of fighting, and must not be defended by military means. More temporary “neutralized zones” are typically not removed from the area of combat and are meant to provide shelter for the wounded and sick and civilians who are in the vicinity of military operations but take no part in hostilities and perform no work of a military character while residing in these zones. “Demilitarized zones” are established to protect entire civilian populations residing in these zones against attack. No party to the conflict can occupy or use these areas for military purposes. The establishment of such zones under IHL is premised on all the parties to the conflict agreeing to set them up and respect their civilian character. (See here and here for zones established with the parties’ agreement.)"
This agreement had dissenters, of course. Which opens the door to alternatives
"In the absence of agreement by all parties to establish a safe zone, an alternative can be for the UN Security Council to declare one, as it has done through resolutions on Bosnia and Herzegovina in 1993 and Rwanda in 1994. Nevertheless, such arrangements will typically raise important concerns: Unless all parties agree to the establishment of a demilitarized safe area, a strong military presence will be required to ensure its protection against attack. In turn, this military presence can draw attacks from enemy parties, thereby exposing the civilian population to military operations and undermining the very purpose of the area.
The fact that the proposed de-escalation areas under Thursday’s memorandum do not enjoy the agreement of all parties to the fighting in Syria, require armed forces to prevent military confrontations along their borders, and can expect to experience fighting against ISIL and other groups, indicates that they should not be considered safe zones and should not give civilians a misguided sense of enhanced safety.
This being said, the memorandum does contain some humanitarian elements that are important to highlight. It foresees the provision of rapid, safe and unhindered humanitarian access, conditions for the delivery of medical aid and for meeting civilians’ basic needs, measures to restore basic facilities such as the supply of water and electricity, and conditions for the safe and voluntary return of refugees and internally displaced persons"Feel free to read the rest of the article at the highlighted "Just Security" link above!

Concluding paragraph as follows:

"The parties to the memorandum are determined to “decrease the level of military tensions and to provide for the security of civilians.” They – and all parties to the conflict in Syria – must pursue this goal in full compliance with their IHL obligations, both within and outside these new de-escalation areas"
From earlier today:


P5 + 1: Joint Commision Meets to Review Deal

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P5 + 1: Joint Commision Meets to Review Deal

pennyforyourthoughts2 - Fri, 05/05/2017 - 07:06
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This is a routine review. It's not required for sanctions reduction. The US must waive sanctions to live up to it's end of the deal- The date for such waivers is May 18th. 
Will the US uphold their end of the deal? Or is the US looking for trouble?
Joint Commission Meets to Review Iran DealThe Joint Commission set up by Iran and the P5+1 to review implementation of the nuclear agreement known as the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA) met April 25 in Vienna. This was the first regularly scheduled quarterly meeting of the group since U.S. President Donald Trump took office. The meeting provided the opportunity to discuss progress on the Arak reactor modernization project, civil nuclear cooperation developments, and sanctions relief, according to the chair’s statement released after the discussion.

The statement also said that “all participants noted their continued adherence to the JCPOA commitments and stressed the need to ensure its full and effective implementation.” The participants include the European Union, Iran, and the P5+1 members (China, France, Germany, Russia, the United Kingdom and the United States).

Iran’s envoy to the Joint Commission, Deputy Foreign Minister Abbas Araqchi, met with Yukiya Amano, director-general of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), the day before the Joint Commission meeting. He described cooperation between the IAEA and Iran as “smooth and good.”

The Joint Commission meeting came a week after U.S. Secretary of State Rex Tillerson certified to Congress that Iran is complying with the terms of the nuclear deal. The certification is not a condition of the deal, but is required every 90-days under the Iran Nuclear Agreement Review Act of 2015. The April 18 certification letter to House Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) said that the National Security Council is leading an interagency review on “whether suspension of sanctions related to Iran pursuant to the JCPOA is vital to the national security interests of the United States.” 

The President must periodically waive U.S. sanctions to meet Washington’s obligations under the deal. The next round of waivers, the first under Trump, is due for renewal around May 17.

Iranian Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif said he believes that Trump will waive sanctions as required by the deal and that the next Iranian president should honor the agreement. Iran’s elections take place on May 19. Sitting President Hassan Rouhani is running for re-election against several other candidates.
Looking for trouble 

New Sanctions Bill Risks Deal ImplementationWith Congress back in session, the Senate Foreign Relations Committee will likely markup S. 722, the Countering Iran’s Destabilizing Activities Act of 2017, by the end of May. The committee’s chairman, Bob Corker (R-Tenn.), told Politico on May 1 that he and Ranking Member Ben Cardin (D-Md.) agreed to move an Iran sanctions bill by the “end of this work period.” Corker is the lead sponsor of the bill. If passed as written, S. 722 could pose a risk to the nuclear deal with Iran. A group of former Obama administration officials that worked on the nuclear deal, including Antony Blinken, Avril Haines, and Colin Kahl, have also raised concerns about the legislation undermining the nuclear deal in a March 31 op-ed in Foreign Policy.

Although the legislation focuses on areas not explicitly covered by the nuclear deal, such as Iran’s ballistic missile activity and support for terrorism, sections of the legislation risk undermining U.S. commitments in the agreement. The following are excerpts from a more detailed analysis from the Arms Control Association which is available here. Specifically:Section 4
This section of the proposed legislation would violate the spirit of the U.S. commitment not to take actions that impede Iran’s access to sanctions relief. It imposes mandatory sanctions on entities whose activity “poses a risk of materially contributing” to Iran’s ballistic missile program. This language is overly broad and imprecise, making it difficult for any company considering business with an Iranian entity to ascertain if that entity is involved in activities that could pose a risk of contributing to Tehran’s ballistic missile development. Creating this obstacle runs contrary to paragraph 26 of the nuclear deal, which says that: “United States will make best efforts in good faith to sustain this JCPOA and to prevent interference with the realization of the full benefit by Iran of the sanctions lifting specified in Annex II.”  

Section 8
This section could prevent the United States from fulfilling its commitments to remove individuals and entities from the sanctions designated list on Transition Day, which will occur in 2023 at the latest. According to the text of the nuclear deal, on Transition Day, Washington will delist a set group of individuals and entities, including some designated for activities relevant to ballistic missile development under Executive Order 13382. The bill [S. 722] will prevent the president from delisting individuals unless a certification is issued that the individual or entity has not engaged in activities related to Iran’s ballistic missile program in the prior three months. Continued engagement in illicit ballistic missile activity by these listed entities is undesirable, but there are no conditions for delisting these entities under the deal.Before rushing to support this legislation or future sanctions bills, members of Congress should carefully and fully consider the impact on the Iran nuclear deal and the consequences of undermining the accord.
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Hysteria reigns as "CO2 levels cross 410 ppm " First Time In Human History

pennyforyourthoughts2 - Wed, 05/03/2017 - 11:02
CO2 levels on Earth cross 410 ppm for the first time in HUMAN history! That's a bit over the top, no? How could those that make these claims possibly know this? Obviously that can't.

* co2-levels-on-earth-cross-410-ppm-for-the-first-time-in-history
*Earth’s Carbon Dioxide Level Breaks Dangerous Records In Human History
This Carbon Level Claim is  Lie of Omission
So let’s talk about this?

“The first time the observatory recorded CO2 levels passing 400 ppm was back in 2013"

- So the observatory recorded levels surpassing 400 ppm’s in 2013 and not since?
-'Cause there is no mention of these levels being consistent year after year since 2013.

- There is no information regarding levels being in the 400's prior to 2013
-There is no mention of the 2013 level being duplicated in 2014/2015/2016? If they were also high I'm sure the articles would not have ONLY cherry picked the 2013 data?


Some more quotes from the article:

“the latest number – 410.28 ppm to be exact “

“410 ppm is just the start of the terrifying records that will shock us in the upcoming months”

“Scientists at the UK Met Office predicted that March or April could witness CO2 levels reaching up to 410 ppm.”
Except the UK Met Office was wrong regarding their March to April window, because it took until May for the 410 to be hit

“According to the Scientific American, high levels of CO2 signifies that more heat is being trapped, thereby causing the climate to change at an accelerating rate.”
Oh really? Then why is it so unseasonably cold here where I live and for many many miles all around me-
1- Why is it unseasonably cold in  Ontario? 
* My furnace just 'kicked in' as I type this up (May 02/17) - Cause I love paying high heating bills in May- facetious

2-Why is it unseasonably cold in Manitoba?


3- Snow in Alberta- Late April

4-Montreal, unseasonably cold and wet


Why is it unseasonably cold just across the Niagara River in the US? Yesterday in southern Ontario- Niagara Region it was a balmy 9 C or 47 F. And that was May 02/2017. (Just three weeks to go till traditional planting time) It will  cool off overnight to about 6 C or 41 F

According to the common lie/lore all this carbon should be making everything warmer?
“high levels of CO2 signifies that more heat is being trapped, thereby causing the climate to change at an accelerating rate.”Where is the heat? Where is the warming? There is none to be seen within many many miles of where I live! Yet according to the climate liars- I should be toasty- Real science is observable.

Let’s talk about the fact it’s been so unseasonably cold here that the leaves on my maple tree (south facing) are yet to unfurl (flowers and the beginnings of leaves are present). 
And it’s May 03! 

My Mulberry tree, which I can view easily from my computer here hasn’t got one leaf to speak of. Nadda one. My neighbours Silver maple (north facing) has no leaves- The Birch tree in the yard behind mine has no leaves. The Black Walnut tree a couple of yards over has no leaves.

So, basically it’s May 03- It’s unseasonably cool to the point the leaves haven’t unfurled yet and I’m heating my house, still!  Yet  I’m supposed to believe these alleged historical carbon levels indicate heat is being trapped!?  Well, where is the heat? Obviously spring is a bit laggard this year... and this is a very likely contributory to high CO2 levels- That will change in short order and I guarantee you won't hear or read a dam word about it!

Let’s talk about SEASONAL CO2 Fluctuations- A Natural Occurrence in the Real World

The Keeling Curve
 This shift between the fall and winter months to the spring and summer results in the sawtooth pattern known as the Keeling Curve measurement of atmospheric CO2 such that every year there is a decline in CO2 during months of terrestrial plant photosynthesis and an increase in CO2 in months without large amounts of photosynthesis and with significant decomposition.

 In general, researchers found strong seasonal CO2 fluctuations throughout the Northern Hemisphere and weaker fluctuations near the equator and in the Southern Hemisphere

The station at Barrow, Alaska (71° N latitude), for example, experiences enormous swings in seasonal CO2. In fact, at this site, the daily 400 part-per-million (ppm) benchmark was passed for brief periods starting in 2006

At the opposite end of the spectrum, at the South Pole (90°S latitude) and other sites in the Southern Hemisphere, there is hardly any seasonal variability.


These latitudinal differences in fluctuation are the result of photosynthetic activity by plants. As plants begin to photosynthesize in the spring and summer, they consume CO2 from the atmosphere and eventually use it as a carbon source for growth and reproduction. This causes the decrease in CO2 levels that begins every year in May.Because photosynthetic activity is the cause of seasonal CO2 swings, regions with more plants will experience larger fluctuations. Why Does Atmospheric CO2 Peak in May?Tim Lueker, research scientist in the Scripps CO2 Research Group, only needs one sentence to explain why atmospheric CO2 peaks in May. 
“Springtime comes in May in Siberia,” he says.And what month is it? Oh yes, it's May! "Springtime…

First, the significance of spring is related to the shift of terrestrial plants from barren winter branches to bountiful spring leaves.  After the leaves on the trees drop in the fall, the leaf litter and other dead plant material break down throughout the winter thanks to the hard work of microbes.  During this decomposition, microbes respire and produce CO2, contributing to atmospheric CO2 levels in the process.  Thus over the course of the winter, there is a steady increase in CO2 in the atmosphere. In the spring, leaves return to the trees and photosynthesis increases dramatically, drawing down the CO2 in the atmosphere.  This shift between the fall and winter months to the spring and summer results in the sawtooth pattern of the Keeling Curve"
 Isn’t nature amazing! She, like a good mother,  is taking care of exactly that which needs to be taken care of ! She's smarter then any of climate scientist drivel I’ve had the displeasure of reading! Our planet, on it’s own, takes care of itself.  Without our awareness. And sadly without most people even realizing! The fact that the trees, shrubs etc are still without their leaves (never mind drawing CO2 for fruit/seed production etc) implies that they have not yet drawn all the carbon out of the atmosphere that was produced, as food for them, by the previous seasons decomposition- If there was no or low carbon in the atmosphere for all the vegetation there would be little or no vegetation. There would be no new life

Thanks to the high carbon levels in the spring, the new living plant growth is robust and has lovely vibrant colour. The lawn is very nice, green and lush. The CO2 enables all that fresh new growth for the coming season.  Undoubtedly once all the leaves/plants begin their photosynthesis the carbon in the atmosphere will drop- Dramatically. The frenzied headlines are  lies of omission to create fear.  The carbon fluctuation cycle as demonstrated by the Keeling Curve is normal.  I really do wish people would inform themselves in order to understand the natural cycles of our home planet!

Is heat being trapped by these dangerous CO2 levels?

 If we are to believe these “dangerous” CO2 levels were trapping excessive heat, there would be no unseasonably cold temperatures being experienced by millions. But that’s not all!  In the Great Lakes region were experiencing record lake levels.  I reside in the Great Lakes area and have seen this with my own eyes at Lake Erie. Where it is obvious the lake level is elevated.

Yes, we've had quite a bit of rain which is definitely raising the lake levels- But we've also had NO WARMTH that would cause evaporation of the water, which would reduce the water levels

Water Levels up on Great Lakes
There are three components that affect water levels. Evaporation off of a lake’s surface is a negative, it draws water from the lakes. Contributing factors on the positive side include precipitation and runoff into the lake, and connecting channels that inflow from the upper lakes and outflow from the lower lakes. They all determine how much water a lake receives.”There is no evaporation taking place- Because that would require heat- and there hasn’t been any (save for about two days?) to begin the process despite these ‘dangerous’ carbon levels  allegedly trapping heat-  
Think of heating water on the stove- Water changes to steam and it evaporates. 
Think of a puddle after a rain, the sun comes out, the puddle evaporates.
As of Tuesday, April 18, Lake Erie was 46 centimetres above average for this time of year. Caldwell says the lake was 174.68 metres above sea level, and that its average at this time of year is 174.22 metres above sea level.
The high Lake Erie levels are contributing to high Lake Ontario levels

Lake Ontario is about 30 centimetres higher than normal for this time of year and is approaching one in 100 year levels for the lake,” said Christine McClure, water resources manager. “We are warning shoreline residents these high water levels, combined with high winds and waves, may cause damage to their shorelines and shoreline infrastructure.”

McClure said residents should take care to secure personal property such as boats and docks or any other loose items along the shoreline.“It is likely that these high water levels on Lake Ontario and the Bay of Quinte will continue for the next few weeks.”

She noted the federal government monitors Lake Ontario, and predicts water levels on the lake could rise another 20 centimetres between now and early June.

“The major natural factors affecting Lake Ontario levels are inflow from Lake Erie, precipitation, evaporation, runoff, and wind effects,” she said.
I am not excusing any real pollution- in fact I abhor that. However, knowing that CO2 = Life on this, our carbon based life form planet, these over the  top claims, actually scare mongering, are particularly disturbing to me because they are suggestive of an anti life agenda. 

Shine on you crazy diamonds 
 It would be impossible for life on earth to exist without carbon. Carbon is the main component of sugars, proteins, fats, DNA, muscle tissue, pretty much everything in your body.
UPDATE: May 03/2017- English vineyards hit by 'catastrophic' frost, wiping out half of harvest
 The air frost that hit last week caused "catastrophic" damage to buds that had bloomed earlier than usual thanks to a warm start to the year.Nick Wenman, founder and owner of Albury Organic Vineyard in Surrey, said it was the air frost that was particularly damaging, with three bad nights last week - the worst being the night of 26 April. "It was like an Arctic wind which blew through the vineyard and froze everything in its path," he told BBC Radio 4's Today programme. While secondary buds are expected later in the year, these are "never as fruitful" and do not have as long to ripen, he added. He said 70-80% of buds at his vineyard had been affected which will mean at shortfall of 50% of its yield. I can recall Ontario's grape growers and small wineries having a couple years like this. It's sad.

I like this little historical bit in the BBC article
  • Wine-making was brought to Britain by the Romans about 2,000 years ago.
  • By the time of Henry VIII there were 139 sizeable vineyards in England and Wales.
  • Vineyards reduced over next few centuries, partly due to climate changes (cooling)

It let's us know that England was much warmer- Romans bringing winemaking
Then it cooled off- vineyards reducing
Will England be able to sustain wine making at this time?

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US Kurdish Alliance Violation of NATO Treaty

pennyforyourthoughts2 - Tue, 05/02/2017 - 17:49
The enemy (PKK/YPG) of my enemy (Turkey) is my friend (US) ?
I'm reiterating my question from a previous post:
5- What's the point of the US led NATO alliance when the US is openly courting and bedding Turkey's enemy?Link
 The U.S. is violating its obligations under two articles of the NATO treaty in their support of the PKK's Syrian offshoot the Democratic Union Party (PYD) and its armed wing, the People's Protection Units (YPG) in the fight against Daesh in war-torn Syria.

According to Article 3 of the NATO treaty, "In order to more effectively achieve the objectives of this treaty, the parties, separately and jointly, by means of continuous and effective self-help and mutual aid, will maintain and develop their individual and collective capacity to resist an armed attack."

Asserting the principle of collective defense mechanisms, Article 5 says, "The parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them... Shall be considered an attack against all of them and, consequently, they agree that if such an armed attack occurs, then each of them, exercising the right of individual or collective self-defense recognized by Article 51 of the U.N. Charter, will assist the party or parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with other parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force..."
 The U.S. giving supplies to the PKK terrorist organization and its PYD/YPG offshoots helped the terror group spread across one-fifth of Syria, thus posing a major threat to Turkey.

Especially over the last two years, the U.S., which has increased its military support for the PKK's Syrian affiliates, allowed the group to occupy a large area under the guise of fighting Daesh.

The U.S.'s failure to meet its obligations under Article 3 and Article 5 calls into question the loyalty of the U.S. to the central purpose of NATO; namely, the fact that an armed attack against one NATO ally will be considered an attack against all NATO member states.I know, being a Canadian, it makes me wonder exactly why the heck we participate in such an alliance that is clearly subject to the whims/disloyalty of  the US, a nation whose traits can be described kindly as Namby Pamby lacking in character or substance). And with brutal honesty as self serving/centred/absorbed and irrational! Obviously there is no alliance in NATO.
 According to Turkish security officials who asked not to be named due to restrictions on speaking to the media, the explosives and weapons the U.S. provides to the PYD/YPG in Syria are used by the PKK in terrorist attacks in Turkey.

Namely, an April 11 bomb attack on a police compound in the southeastern Turkish province of Diyarbakır was carried out using explosives the U.S. supplied to the PYD/YPG in Syria, according to the security official.

Three people were killed in the attack, for which the PKK claimed responsibility. The local governor said at the time that a ton of explosives were placed in a tunnel under the compound.

The official also claimed that weapons the U.S. supplied to the PYD/YPG had also been found in PKK camps.

The U.S.-provided weapons, which the source said included ammunition, anti-tank rockets and assault rifles as well as explosives, crossed into Turkey from Sinjar in Northern Iraq and from the Karacok region in Syria.

In addition to citing the Diyarbakır attack, the security official also said U.S.-provided weapons had been used in other attacks on security forces across Turkey.

In April 2016, the U.S. ambassador to Ankara denied that the U.S. was arming the PYD/YPG, saying any U.S. weapons found in PKK hands would have ultimately come from Iraqi security forces.So the US doesn't deny the weapons they are supplying are ending up in Turkey being used to harm civilians. They are just denying exactly how it is their weapons are getting into the hands of the PKK and being used to harms civilians- Plausible deniability. 

From earlier:
Syrians Rage Over American Flag-Flying Tanks 

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Syrians Rage Over American Flag-Flying Tanks

pennyforyourthoughts2 - Tue, 05/02/2017 - 09:16
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Syrians are furious after pictures showing American tanks and military vehicles driving through Kurdish territory (??? not Kurdish territory) in the north of the country were posted this weekend. Angry online commenters are calling it an “American occupation.”

 Social media users shared images and video of tanks flying American flags driving the streets Qamishli, a Kurdish-majority town (??? questionable) in the north of Syria, and being cheered by local citizens. 



Notice all the white Toyota's in possession of the PKK/YPG militias?
Same as ISIS. Same as British special forces
Recall my multiple mentions of Kurds having the exact same vehicles as ISIS?
 Not a coincidence! 

Swap the costumes-  Change up the flags. KurdIShIS
“Is this the beginning of occupying and splitting Syria?” wondered one user. Another poster, who supports embattled Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, raged against the Kurds for allegedly welcoming the American troops, calling it “American occupation of Syria.”
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The US is Baiting Turkey

pennyforyourthoughts2 - Sun, 04/30/2017 - 19:04
The baiting of Turkey is already a plan in action! But in this case I'm talking about the laying of a trap. Entrapment to lure into a compromising statement or act

Hopin' the Turks are wise to a possible false flag? 
Because the US will engage in that tactic if it benefits them. 
Hell they'll entirely fabricate an incident if it serves them. 
The most recent 'chemical attack' in Syria, comes to mind. I highly doubt anything at all occurred.

Hubby was reading the news this morning and said “it sure looks as if the US is hoping to get a reaction from Turkey” He even mentioned the very scenario Michael Hanna mentions in the Time article which is why I chose that specific article for this post  We are witnessing what was the planned for progression of all that’s been on going in this area- Turkey and the US have not really been allies- more like frenemies- for quite, quite some time.

About 4 days ago Turkey struck PKK/YPG, US allies in Syria
“The collision course is coming. It’s already come in some respects and it’s a question of how badly this deteriorates,” says Michael Hanna, a senior fellow at the New York-based Century Foundation.

“There are U.S. personnel on the ground. In the worst case scenario you’re having Turkey, a NATO ally, a close traditional partner of the United States, could kill American personnel on the ground,” he tells TIME.Exactly what the US wants. Real or claimed. Doesn't matter.
No questioning of why the US is occupying Syria?
No questioning as to why the US is supporting terrorists who attack Turkey? Odd behaviour for a "close traditional partner" to Turkey? A claimed NATO ally, to Turkey?
 
U.S. support for the YPG has raised tensions with Turkey for over two years. The YPG are closely linked to another organization, the Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK)

Both Turkey and the U.S. list the PKK as a terrorist organization, but the U.S. insists that its militia partners in Syria are a separate group from the PKK guerillas fighting Turkey. Yet the two organizations have direct ties, and Kurdish citizens of Turkey are among the YPG’s fighters”  I'd posted stats indicating that about 50 percent of so called YPG Kurds hail from Turkey-  That is they are PKK, based on documented casualty counts- I’ve stated they are one and the same for years- To bad the disinfo msm and alt media championed the terrorist militias cause all along-

Photos appeared on line of US personnel in deep with terrorists- Not that the US really cares about that!


https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/857221256944513025

US commander visited Syria's Derik yesterday was accompanied by PKK's armed wing HPG commander Şahin Cilo (1).

Apr 26
Replying to US commander yesterday was walking with a PKK commander who is responsible for countless attacks against Turkish forces, and citizens 11 replies 210 retweets 127 likes



  • Apr 26
  • US commander is pictured with Şahin Cilo, PKK founder Abdullah Ocalan's adopted son, also PKK's general commander in Syria for YPG forcesQuestions that should be asked, but aren't?


    Why is it that the US has always embedded itself with terrorists?


    Zbigniew Brzesinski and his “few stirred up moslems” in Afghanistan. Operation Cyclone- Arming and creating AQ.


     Madeline Albright and Hashim Thaci KLA Terrorist, Leader of Kosovo- Human Trafficker/Drug Trafficker & Richard Holbrooke with KLA Terrorists
    Richard Holbrooke and KLA Terrorists

    US personnel of all sorts embedded with terrorists fomenting terrorism while destroying nations and lives
    Not remarkable in the least- But why doesn't the media ask why this is the case? Over and over? It all happens right out in the open, for goodness sakes!


    The US is claiming Turkey didn’t give enough notice for the strikes- early reports suggested an hour:Dorrian said Turkey gave the U.S. less than an hour's notice” That’s been altered to claim 20 minutes was all that was given- Less then an hour can be 55 minutes, from my understanding.  I don't know how much notice was given, since the news originally said less than an hour's notice,  it seems the US got about an hours notice and surely more then 20 minutes,

    Never mind the whining about time allowed! Why is the US involved with terrorists again and again and again!

    US Tanks Roll Onto Northern Syria border to Confront Turkish allies in favour of terrorists who are destroying Syria with an eye to destroying Turkey!
    US armoured vehicles were deployed in areas in northern Syria along the tense border with Turkey, a few days after a Turkish airstrike that killed 20 US-backed Kurdish fighters.Questions that should be asked but aren't being asked!

    1- Again the question is why are US troops in Syria at all? (Uninvited)
    2- Why are they embedded with terrorists? Again?
    3- Why, are they betraying their claimed ally of decades- Turkey?
    4-  Turkey's right to defend itself isn't being mentioned at all. Why?

    5- What's the point of the US led NATO alliance when the US is openly courting and bedding Turkey's enemy?
    6 - If your NATO allies aren’t really your allies what the hell is the point of NATO at all?
    As a Canadian that’s a question I ask myself!

    How come these questions aren’t being asked by the media?
    Saved from earlier this week 

    FLASHBACK: US Access to 5, yes 5, Air Installations In Stolen Northern Syria
    FLASHBACK: Safe Zones an Inducement to Increase Human Misery

    Syrian Kurds Call for No-Fly Zone After 20 Die in Turkish Air Strike

    I've mentioned repeatedly this was going to be the case- Readers here will recall me stating this  was the plan on a number of occasions. This will not be the no fly zone Turkey wanted- Turkey's no fly zone envisioned no PKK.  The YPG/PKK will attack Turkey from the safety of a US guarded zone.
     “[Turkey] it has become like a Spanish bull and they see the Kurds with a red color,” Dibo told Syria Deeply. “Basically, we fight alongside against one enemy [in Raqqa] which is ISIS,” Dibo said. “So this requires [the U.S.] to announce a no-fly zone over Rojava and northern Syria.”

    While a member of NATO, Turkey is not part of the U.S.-led coalition fighting the Islamic State in Syria and Iraq. Ankara launched its own offensive against the jihadists in August, known as Operation Euphrates Shield, but it had the dual goal of pushing back both ISIS and YPG forces from its shared border with Syria. In March, Ankara claimed it had successfully wrapped up Euphrates Shield.
    The US rejected Turkey's numerous offers to help. 
     LinkThe PKK terror group's Syrian wing the People's Defense Forces (YPG) on Thursday attacked the Turkish military with mortar and missile fire from the Syrian border town of Tal Abyad.
    A mortar round landed on a tank stationed near a military outpost located between the Turkish districts of Suruç and Akçakale, facing the Syrian districts of Kobani and Tal Abyad across the border. No damage or injuries were reported on the Turkish side.
    Turkish units stationed in the area responded with artillery and tank fire.
    Later on the same day, military sources stated that YPG terrorists had attacked 11 Turkish border stations 13 times. The Turkish military retaliated in kind immediately to the attacks, the sources added.
    Following Turkey's airstrikes against PKK-affiliated groups, including the YPG in northern Iraq's Sinjar and northern Syria's Karachok towns on Tuesday, YPG militants targeted Turkish military outposts on the border with Syria in southern Hatay and southeastern Mardin provinces a day later.Link
    Turkish security forces, for the first time have seized a surface-to-air missile launcher that was in the PKK's possession, providing clear evidence of the organization's expanding arsenal.

    The METIS M1, used for firing anti-tank missiles and surface-to-air missiles, was found in counterterror operations against the PKK in southeastern Turkey in February. Later, images of the weapon along with anti-tank missiles and a large number of munitions were shown to the press.
    UPDATE MAY 1/2017:

    "American troops have been patrolling with their Kurdish allies near the Syrian-Turkish border" That should read American troops are patrolling AT or ON the border with the PKK,  relentless attackers of Turkish civilians, including Turkey's non PKK supportive Kurds/
    And there is the wall that Turkey built to keep the US backed thugs out of their country. 
    And defend their state. You know, the wall the disinfo alt media never mentions in order to push the agenda on behalf of the globalist remake of the middle east to the benefit of Israel?
    Yah, that wall!

    Lastly- S400 missile deal between Turkey and Russia

    Turkey's ongoing negotiations with Russia to purchase the S-400 surface-to-air missile systems is likely to be concluded in an upcoming meeting between President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan and his Russian counterpart Vladimir Putin, scheduled to take place in Russian Black Sea coastal city Sochi on May 3.Commenting on the issue Foreign Minister Mevlüt Çavuşoğlu said Friday that Russia and Turkey reached an agreement regarding the purchase of the S-400 air defense systems, and negotiations on the price are underway.

    "We agreed in principle with Russia on the S-400 purchases. The negotiations on the joint production and prices are underway," he said.Turkey and Russia have engaged in talks regarding Turkey's cooperation with Russia in the defense sector since the Russian-Turkish rapprochement in August 2016. However, the negotiations to purchase the S-400 missile system gained momentum in recent weeks.However, Defense Minister Fikri Işık recently clarified that Turkey will use the Russian systems without integration, noting, "Russia's S-400 missile systems will not be integrated into the NATO system." Işık said on March 15.On the other hand, Turkey's efforts to develop its indigenous long-range air missile defense system will continue, even after the procurement of Russian S-400s."We [Turkey] have already developed short-range ballistic missile 'Hisar' and are currently working on a medium-range missile project. Developments of our own long-range defense system are ongoing and we will be able to produce these systems within the next five to seven years," he said.
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    Greatest Carrier of Propaganda to the Unconscious: Hollywood # Keep the Promise

    pennyforyourthoughts2 - Sat, 04/29/2017 - 18:19
    As the father of modern propaganda, Edward Bernays wrote:
    Flashback
        “The American motion picture is the greatest unconscious carrier of propaganda in the world to-day. It is a great distributor for ideas and opinions.  The motion picture can standardize the ideas and habits of a nation.” (Bernays 1928)       This explains the "White Helmets" Oscar win very succinctly!

    Hollywood’s role in the control/manipulation/shaping of your reality is undeniable- 

    Flashback: Hollywood's Military Spook Intelligence Apparatus & It's Insidious Influence
    Insidious: waiting to entrap: harmful but enticing -developing so gradually as to be well established before becoming apparent.Hollywood & the Management of Your Reality
    “The motion picture can standardize the ideas and habits of a nation.” Bernays would surely now say the motion picture can standardize the habits of the global audience.  Hollywood's reach being vastly wider then it was in 1928 making it's influence that much more toxic.

    I'd previously mentioned there would be two posts regarding the global standardization of ideas & habits via Tinsel town. This, the first of two, deals with the demonization of the nation state of  Turkey. Undoubtedly with goal of prepping the masses for some claimed necessary action against yet another nation state. A war of choice.
     

    Turkey's Referendum Kicks off the Movie Promotion

    The very day of the Turkish referendum was, not coincidentally, the first time I saw advertising for the movie: The Promise. Literally within hours of this comment being left at the blog:
    AnonymousApril 16, 2017 at 12:25 PMHollywood anti-Turkish propaganda?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Promise_(2016_film)

    Now if Oscar Isaac was playing a donmeh then we'd start getting a more truthful portrayal...
    PennyApril 16, 2017 at 12:46 PM
    Well well well isn't that timed just right..
    Definite anti Turkish propaganda
    Hollywood and the intelligence agencies always thick as thieves-
      The Economist calls "The Promise" - “An unflinching depiction of the Armenian Genocide”

    An unflinching "depiction"- Not reality. Just a depiction of somebodies version of reality.

    Quoting from the Economist article:
    “Due to geopolitical concerns, Hollywood had hitherto left the subject untouched”What  geopolitical concerns does Hollywood generally concern itself with?
    "Because Turkey is such an important ally to the West, neither has America, Britain or Israel.” (has recognized this claimed genocide)I'll take it then that Turkey's importance as an ally is no longer relevant to America, Britain or Israel? Because this movie has not only been made it's been heavily promoted via all media. Main stream, social etc., The creation of Israel 2.0 aka Kurdistan is within sight. So now would be about the right time to ramp up the anti- Turkey propaganda.

    You’ll notice the word ‘holocaust’ was not used to promote this movie? That word has exclusivity. However that did not prevent Hollywood from employing imagery generally associated with the holocaust™ as  most often and heavily promoted by the greatest carrier of propaganda.
     “The Promise” is not for the squeamish. The slaughter is depicted with stark brutality and inarguable cruelty  Mr Isaac’s character discovers a train full of starving Armenians, a sequence often found in Holocaust films, placing these dreadful events in moral context for the audience. You just gotta love when Hollywood is providing the masses with their "moral context" Requiring no thinking and certainly no finding out on one's own. Just take it from the mass mind control machine!



    The trouble with every Hollywood versions of reality are they are always incorrect and greatly exaggerated, but, tragically become real history for many.

     - Did the white helmets winning an Oscar make the lie of their humanitarianism true?

    - Did "Zero Dark Thirty" tell us the real truth about Osama Bin Laden and his capture? Or did it just give us a palatable narrative to latch unquestioningly onto?

    -How about Argo? Was that reality? Obviously, it wasn't
     Argo has also been criticized for some specific inaccuracies: in particular for minimizing the role of the Canadian embassy in the rescue, for falsely showing that the Americans were turned away by the British and New Zealand embassies, and for exaggerating the danger that the group faced during events preceding their escape from the country
    What about The Promise? 

    Taking previous movies as a guide? We shouldn't expect this movie to be anything at all like truth, fact or real history. Considering what is written about the movie itself. 
    -It's failure to attract attention at the film festivals.
    -Use of well worn memes 
    -Trauma inducing imagery
    We should expect that it will be very memorable, seared into your brain type memorable, but completely counterfactual.



    This movie generated no interest at TIFF

    "when the film premiered at the Toronto International Film Festival in 2016, it did not set the festival alight. Reviews were middling, and no major distributors were interested. Open Road, a smaller company that had shepherded “Spotlight” to a best picture Oscar, picked it up, decided it wasn’t good enough for awards season, and dumped it in the spring"This middling and uninteresting movie was was picked up by a claimed small studio and saved for a release date that coincided with the Turkish referendum.
     Except,
     Open Road is not a small player - Open RoadOpen Road- Oliver Stone and a Snowden movie (Snowden is a psyop) As is this movie.

    Let's look at the heavy promotion for this middling movie:
    via RT:

    Heavy Celebrity Promotion via # Keep the Promise Eerily reminiscent of "never again" Now "never forget"?
     Sylvester Stallone called it “a true and incredibly important historical drama” on Facebook.Barbara Streisand via Facebook: “We are all children of immigrants. I’m Barbara Streisand I vow to keep the promise to never forget,” American singer, actress, director, and producer Barbara Streisand said. Let’s #KeepthePromise to never forget and to promote human rights wherever we are & however we can,” English singer, pianist, and composer Sir Elton John wrote.Pathetically there are people that will take Sylvester Stallone, Barbara Streisand, Elton John and Leondardo DiCaprio's word as gospel truth.  

    What about the Armenian genocide?

    Was it an intentional genocide? Or was it the combination of factors that result in massive loss of life that occurs at times of war? 
    The war itself.  The inevitable displacement.  Resulting in malnutrition & disease. All these problems multiply exponentially during war.

     I don't know with any degree of certainty what actually occurred in this time period

     What I do know, with certainty, is a perception managing movie using holocaust imagery and memes is NOT conducive to understanding, nor is it indicative of real actual history.


    One consistency runs through the killing of Christians....

    The killing of Christians. Armenian Christians Russian  Christians. Middle eastern Christians.   That is the involvement of and myriad interests of the followers/promoters of judaic supremacy. You see, I look for patterns- and that my friends is a consistent pattern. 
    Not a coincidence- Mass killings of christians done undercover of deceptive labels to the benefit of not so christian friendly judaics.

    Metapedia
    Argued similarities with Communist mass killings The mass killings have been argued to have several similarities with the mass killings under Communist regimes. The "Young Turks" organization which had gained power "was clearly a left-leaning anti-nationalist organization whose slogan — “Hürriyet, Müsavaat, Adalet” (Liberty, Equality, Justice) — would do justice to any liberal party in the modern West." The leaders are argued to have been disproportionately from certain ethnic minorities. One such influential minority was the Dönme (or Dönmeh) religious sect which had Jewish origins. Many of the Dönme had recently been expelled from Christian Greece. As was the case in the Soviet Union, certain other minorities were seen as (potentially) traitorous and subjected to harsh deportations and mass killings. Motivations such as some of the Dönme taking revenge on Christians may also have been important. The most important Young Turk leader eventually ended up in the Soviet Union where he gained the trust of the mass killer Lenin before being killed due to a falling out.[1][2]Book in PDF form- The Jewish Genocide of the Armenian Christians

    Tabletmag: A New ‘Theory’ of the Armenian Genocide
    Armenians and Turks aren’t known for sharing a historical perspective on the Armenian genocide—generally, the Armenians support its recognition, the Turkish deny it happened—but a book out this month describes a conspiracy theory that actually has a foothold in both populations. In this version, Jews are to blame for the massacre. According to this counter-history, says historian Rifat Bali in A Scapegoat for All Seasons: The Döonmes or Crypto-Jews of Turkey, the Ottoman Empire’s Jewish bourgeoisie conceived of and carried out the mass slaughter of the Armenians, who (the theory goes) were their rivals for financial control of the region. This idea’s progenitors—who are mostly members of Turkish and Armenian Islamist factions—claim that it was specifically the Sabbateans, or Dönme, followers of the 17th-century Jewish-mystic-turned-Muslim Sabbetei Zevi, who perpetrated the slaughter. (Naturally, the Freemasons helped, too.) An excerpt from the book appears in The Armenian Weekly. If, after that, you still haven’t gotten your fill of Ottoman crypto-Jews, another book on the subject—The Dönme: Jewish Converts, Muslim Revolutionaries, and Secular Turks—comes out this month.
    Tablet (judeo-centric) dismisses both books mentioned in their article as  ‘anti-semitic’ theory. Easier to employ an ad hominem/logical fallacy then address the points made.- 

    That all said,  if the facts of the matter can be substantiated- then it’s not ‘antisemitic’ it’s just history.

    Even the dredging up of this bit of history, at this exact time, is yet another feather in the cap for Israel. How many times has Israel's leadership stated plainly and clearly they are all for a Kurdistan, which necessitates the destruction of Turkey as it is known today.

    Link & Link & Link


    Finally

    Does this film shed “light on a part of history that people have attempted to erase” ?

      The shedding light question can easily be answered by reminding readers of the statement made by Edward Bernays.. 

    " Cinema is"the greatest unconscious carrier of propaganda in the world to-day. It is a great distributor for ideas and opinions.  The motion picture can standardize the ideas and habits of a nation.”  

    Realizing that Hollywood functions first, foremost and always as a tool of cultural shaping and conforming. Hollywood is not known for factual depictions of historical occurrences.

    Understanding that what occurred  at that time is still openly and hotly debated

    It goes without saying that this film, like those that came before it and those that will follow it, are engaged in the exact same tried and true function. Spreading, standardizing and indoctrinating the unconscious masses with persuasive ideas and opinions that serve specific agendas, not beneficial to the end consumer. ie: the film watcher
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    PKK calls on US to choose between ‘Kurds and democracy or Turkish government’

    pennyforyourthoughts2 - Fri, 04/28/2017 - 10:22
    And long time NATO ally. 

     Let's not forget how it is was Turkey was cajoled into NATO? With the help of attacking Kurdish proxies.  Reread: West Unhinged Over Turkish Referendum

    Reality is Turkey has always been a barely tolerated subordinate, but, ooh how the US likes to spin that all important ally meme along with the indivisibility of the NATO alliance- Bullocks!

    So lets get this straight? A terrorist group. Drug and human smugglers are telling the US to choose between them and their ahem‘democracy’ vs a sovereign nation state, it’s people and it government? Terrorists calling on the US to choose between themselves, terrorist drug/human smugglers /extortionists etc and a fully formed, functioning nation state? Sounds about right!  
    Terrorist proxies, presented as either good or bad, necessitating US intervention. 'Cause this game can be played both ways!

     - Present day, bad guy presentation we have ISIS
    - Previous day,  good guy presentation we had KLA
    In both cases the US had to 'intervene' to save "victims"

    The PKK are not good guys, nor was the KLA, though the US has worked very diligently to change the global perception of them with a rebrand (YPG) and heavy PR campaign. 

    Eaten up by many. Sadly.

    Eventually the US will cajole Europe into removing the PKK from the terror/drug smuggling/human smuggling shit list, like the KLA previously,  then they'll crown them king despots of occupied Kurdistan aka Israel 2.0- Wash, rinse, repeat!

    Flashback-  Three Cheers for the PKK? 

    Link


    The Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK) has released a statement condemning Turkish airstrikes on Kurdish forces in Syria and Iraq and called on the US to make a choice on who it supports in the region.

    Calling the Turkish government a “fascist alliance” between President Recep Tayyip Erdogan and Nationalist Movement Party leader Devlet Bahceli, the PKK’s statement said “all-related parties” needed to “declare who they side with.”

    “Fascist AKP [Turkish government] officials stated that the attack was carried out with the knowledge of the US, European Union, Russia and KDP. When this is the case, we call on all related parties to make their stance clear and to declare who they side with; either with the Erdogan-Bahceli fascist dictatorship or a Democratic Turkey and Free Kurdistan,” read the statement, published on ANF news agency.

    The Kurdish group also said the strikes had started a “new phase” in the region, suggesting that the war between the Turkish army and Kurdish groups would escalate.

    Claiming that it had shown “great attention and sensitivity” in its war, the group accused the Turkish government of not reciprocating and international powers of not “standing against the fascist Turkish forces’ de facto invasion of Syria and Iraq.”

    In a statement several hours after the airstrikes on Tuesday, the Turkish military had said it had carried out the airstrikes on PKK and affiliates’ positions from where attacks against Turkish forces had been prepared and conducted.

    Turkey has vowed to prevent a Kurdish-led autonomous region from emerging in northern Syria and has said it will not allow the PKK to set up bases in Shingal.Since Europe is having a problem with refugees present day.... A US choosing of PKK against the nation state of Turkey is going to make that situation a whole lot worse.By design, of course, Perhaps the Germans, in particular, had better consider this carefully.

    If you missed
    OIT- Interview F. William Engdahl- Round Table, World War & Gods of MoneyTake the time to listen and read, I've updated the post with additional info
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    OIT- Interview F. William Engdahl- Round Table, World War & Gods of Money

    pennyforyourthoughts2 - Wed, 04/26/2017 - 16:41
    Where to begin with this one?
    First of all... Thanks again to Tim Kelley, from Our Interesting Times, who is an excellent interviewer.  A very informative, listen more then once, kind of information packed historical/ present day chat-

    This is related to a concept I haven't been able to quite put my finger on, or organize, regarding the Atlantacists, Five Eyes, the Brexit and NATO's attempt to crush Europe. Maybe you all can leave some thoughts?

    There's a post from 2014 where I had mentioned the agenda to subordinate Europe by the US/Atlantacist led NATO

    Thursday, May 8, 2014 "Toward a Europe Whole & Free" Via NATO global dominance

     This post contains a ton of info-  Europe Whole and Free, is of course, nothing like it reads. In our Orwellian world of doublespeak. Whole and free  is really Europe subordinated to NATO/US dominance.There is most definitely information related to this interview in that post


     F. William Engdahl returns to Our Interesting Times to discuss his heretofore unpublished chapter "A New World Order Built on the Ashes of War." We talk about the intrigues of the secretive network known as the Round Table and the role it played in fomenting the world wars of the 20th century. Later we talk about his 2009 book Gods of Money: Wall Street and the Death of the American Century.



    An Anglo elitist union which will leave the EU in tatters. By design.

    Brexit: Securing a New English-speaking Union?
    By F. William Engdahl
    3 April 2017
    It’s becoming clear that there is a far more ambitious strategy behind Great Britain’s exit from the European Union, the so-called Brexit. Far from a reluctant government led by Prime Minister Theresa May, forced to listen to the Vox Populi of the majority of voters in 2016 who voted to exit the European Union, signs emerge of a far more devious well-planned strategy at the highest levels of British power, including the House of Windsor and the powers of the formidable City of London financial institutions. Britain is ditching the EU as a failed option, and seems to be intent on building a new English-speaking Union together with the United States and with the nations of the Commonwealth–the former colonies of the British Empire prior to 1914 . Their decision to join the European Monetary Union in 1992 went against that tradition of staying outside the Continental European fray, a tradition of remaining an Atlantic power, utilizing their Anglo-American “special relationship” that had been built during the war years by Churchill with Roosevelt. When the US circles deliberately destroyed the British possibility to join the emerging Euro through the agency of a “lone assassin” hedge fund operator named George Soros in 1992, it was a clear signal that Wall Street and Washington would not permit the enormous financial power of the City of London, fused with that of Germany, France and the Continental economies, to challenge the hegemony of the US dollar and of Wall Street.


    Read the rest at the above link... This confirms some sneaking suspicions I have about just what our five eye nations are up to.

    And for some very interesting and also related information read all the pages of the article linked below- It's lengthy so print it up and read it entirely including the extensive foot notes! 

    I will include the first 5 paragraphs and suggest again the essay warrants a good read.
    This is an alternative perspective to commonly known history regarding Britain and Germany- And, in my opinion shines a light on what is occurring present day.  Mr Engdahl talks about some of this history which definitely piqued my interest!

    A Reevaluation of Cockburn's Clivedon Set
    Claud Cockburn, founder and editor of The Week (a pro-communist British weekly periodical), coined the term the "Cliveden Set" in late 1937, when he accused a group of politicians, bankers, ship builders, newspaper editors, and other wealthy aristocrats of conspiring to influence the policy of the British Government.1 Cockburn, a communist himself, wanted Britain to rearm and issued several warnings in his paper for Britain to wake up to Hitler's intentions while the "set" was busy appeasing Germany. His articles went unnoticed until he labeled a story "The Cliveden Set" on 22 December 1937; the story exploded.2 Unfortunately, due to deficiencies in Cockburn's argument, a majority of historians dismiss most of the charges he made against this group. In spite of this censure, it remains difficult to believe that everything he wrote was false. In fact, Cockburn was very accurate when he reported the "set's" pro-German intentions. Not only were they pro-German but, as Cockburn hypothesized, they attempted to influence the British government towards an amicable relationship with Germany. It was this intent which separated the "set" from other appeasers, and the reason why Cockburn's thesis should not be dismissed. The members of this "alleged set" actually had their beginnings as a group in South Africa in the early 1900s, where they were part of a handpicked group of about 23 to 30 intelligent and highly regarded young men on Lord Alfred Milner's administrative staff after the Boer War.3 (Their task was to reconstruct South Africa's economy, and reconcile and unite its warring peoples under one government.)4 Lord Milner, High Commissioner of South Africa, fueled these men - Philip Kerr (later Lord Lothian), Geoffrey Dawson, Edward Wood (later Lord Halifax), Lord Bob Brand, Lord Hichens, and Lionel Curtis - with his ideals, training them with the "vision of [creating in South Africa a] self-governing people under the British flag."5 This body of assistants (essentially the heart of Cockburn's "set") became known as "Milner's Kindergarten."
    Lord Milner himself was part of the great British Imperialist Cecil Rhodes' Secret Society founded in 1891. The purpose of this society "was to devote itself to the preservation and expansion of the British Empire."6 Lord Milner was Rhodes' chosen successor to lead this society to its ultimate goal of a federal union. Both Rhodes and Milner, "sought to unite the world, above all the English-speaking world, in a federal structure around Britain."7 This would be done according to secret political and economic influence aided by the "control of journalistic, educational, and propaganda agencies."8 When Rhodes died, Milner took over the society and continued towards its goals by recruiting bright young men who he believed could be easily influenced, and had enough power and ambition to be influential in spreading their ideals.
    By 1910, "Milner's Kindergarten" achieved the Union of South Africa, and most of them returned to England. Upon returning to England, Lothian, Dawson, Brand, Hichens, and Curtis rejoined Milner, secretly becoming the Milner Group. As a group, they continued to pursue the ideals of Milner and Rhodes by launching their famous Round Table Review of Commonwealth Affairs in November 1910. This quarterly, founded and edited by Lothian, was "designed to keep open lines of communication around the Empire, a function that might later be performed by official representatives if federation became a reality."9 As imperialists, they were alarmed for the future of the Empire, and used the Round Table Review as a propaganda tool.Curtis and Brand played larger roles in the group as it expanded in size and outlook. Curtis was seen as the motivating force in the group for much of the 1910s,10 while Brand, Lothian's immediate chief in South Africa, introduced the wealthy Waldorf Astor (his friend from New College who would later become a Lord) into the group in 1910. Astor, as well as Abe Bailey, became the chief financial supporters of the Milner Group.11Dawson and Lothian also played important roles at this time. By 1912, Dawson had become editor of The Times.12 He later served as secretary of the Rhodes Trust (1921-22), and editor of the Round Table Review (1941-44).13 His influence on these publications and foundations was tremendous and was in line throughout with the Milner Group aims. Besides being the founder and editor of the Round Table Review, Lothian was secretary of the Milner Group (1910-16 ), served as secretary to Lloyd George (1916-22), and finally the Milner Group's leader (1925-40). He was also Secretary of the Rhodes Trust (1925-39), and became a Lord (1930).14Lord Astor's financial contributions brought him into the group. His father, William Waldorf Astor, owned the Pall Mall Gazette, and in 1911, bought The Observer at Waldorf's insistence. James Louis Garvin, editor of The Observer, was retained as editor for both of these publications and was brought into the group by Waldorf as another means of influencing the public to their aims. Waldorf's wife, Nancy Astor (and later known as Lady Astor, the first woman in Parliament), had a big influence on Brand, Curtis, and Lothian. She attracted these men by being outspoken, yet willing to learn. By the 1930s, the Astors were not just financial contributors, but played a larger role by hosting meetings at Cliveden or one of their other homes.
    The Berlin to Baghdad Rail line: Link
    I learned something new in that regard, so, I'm adding a bit of info regarding that German challenge to British hegemony..



    In 1872, Wilhelm von Pressel, a German railway engineer, was retained by the Ottoman government to develop plans for railways in Turkey. However, because private companies would not construct the railway without subsidies, the Ottoman government was forced to reserve part of its revenues to subsidize its construction, thereby increasing its debt to the European powers. By the late 1800s, the Ottoman Empire had become the "sick man of Europe," beset by debt and thus the recipient of cheap imports from industrialized Europe. As a result, the Empire's finances fell under the purview of the Ottoman Public Debt Administration, comprised of and answerable to the Great Powers. Consequently, the Europeans saw enormous potential to exploit the resources of the weakening empire, principally the vast amount of oil known already to lie in the region. Indebted and compromised, primed for exploitation- what a familiar ring in general
    BUT! Turkey, present day, has no IMF debt... Making them less malleable- Uh oh!
    At the turn of the century, the Ottoman Ministry of Public Works received competing bids from Russia, Britain, and Germany to complete the railway to Baghdad.
    Germany's Deutsche Bank having submitted the winning bid, the other countries of Europe paid scant attention to the construction of the railway lines until 1903, when the Ottoman government granted permission to the Ottoman company, Baghdad Railway Company, which was controlled by a few German banks, to build the railway line from Konia to Baghdad.

    Britain, France, and Russia soon began to recognize the implications of the German plan, which was that linking up Berlin to the Persian Gulf would provide Germany with a connection to its southernmost colonies in Africa. Ultimately, the Entente Powers (as Britain, France, and Russia were later dubbed during the Great War), feared that the railway would eventually strengthen the Ottoman Empire and its ties to Germany, thereby shifting the balance of power in the region. As noted above, although Britain was initially supportive of the railway, as Germany was a major trading partner, the country eventually realized that the railways would be too close to comfort to their oilfields in Persia. Additionally, the British worried that the Ottoman government (by then ruled by the Young Turks) would be able to block off essential oil supplies to the Royal Navy. By the eve of the First World War in 1914, the railway was still 600 miles away from its intended objective. Had it been completed earlier, the Berlin-Baghdad railway would have facilitated transport and trade from Germany via a port on the Persian Gulf, from which trade goods and supplies could be exchanged directly with the farthest of the German colonies and the world. Additionally, the travel back to Germany would have given German industry a direct supply of oil. This access to resources, with trade less impacted by British control of shipping, would have greatly benefited German economic interests in trade and industry, and posed a significant threat to British economic preeminence in colonial trade.Additionally, the railway threatened Russia, as it was expected to expand Germany's economic sphere of influence towards the Caucasian frontier and into north Persia where Russia held a dominant share of the market. In early 1914, a contract was signed between the director of the Anglo-Persian Oil Company and the Baghdad Railway Company, which forced the German government to recognize southern Mesopotamia, as well as southern and central Persia, as the exclusive field of operations of the Anglo-Persian Company. The British Are "Just In Time"The British were just in time. Following the outbreak of war on July 28, Britain's majority stake position in the Anglo-Persian Oil Company assumed central importance.  read entire article at link.
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    Vegetarian Diet? No Panacea for Environment or Health- Meat Lies Told To Justify Meat Tax

    pennyforyourthoughts2 - Tue, 04/25/2017 - 17:39
    Sorry folks, a vegetarian diet is not a panacea for you or the planet. No matter how many lies the managerial classes tell on behalf of the elites. Take that Steve Paiken- Saw the promotional for this show- Didn’t watch it. Paiken is a member of the managerial class.

    Link
    People go vegetarian for lots of reasons, says the University of Alberta’s Timothy Caulfield: Animal welfare. Personal branding. The “health halo.”

    It just won’t prolong their life, suggests a large new study.

    Researchers who tracked nearly a quarter million adults aged 45 and older in New South Wales found no significant differences in all-cause mortality, meaning the likelihood of dying, of any death, between those who followed a complete, semi- (meat once a week or less) or pesco- (fish permitted) vegetarian diet, and regular meat eaters.

    Caulfield, a Canada Research Chair in health law and policy and expert in celebrity health trends, said the study (in which he played no role) fits with an emerging body of evidence that vegetarian diets don’t reduce the risk of premature death.Out of 16,836 deaths in total (6.9 per cent of total), there were 80 deaths in vegetarians (5.3 per cent) and 16,756 deaths (6.9 per cent) in others (which includes pesco-vegetarians and semi-vegetarians.)

    After adjusting for other factors, such as age, smoking and alcohol consumption, and a history of ever being diagnosed with high blood pressure or conditions like Type 2 diabetes, heart disease and stroke the researchers found no evidence that any of the variations of vegetarian diets had a protective effect on early death.The article discusses the air of superiority ‘vegans’ have. Because they aren’t killing animals. (I’ve heard this on many occasions) Truth be told being a vegetarian doesn't guarantee a halo.

    Plants take in Carbon Dioxide and give off oxygen
    Vegetarian and healthy diets 'could be more harmful to the environment', according to new reportAccording to new research from Carnegie Mellon University, following the USDA recommendations to consume more fruits, vegetables, dairy and seafood is more harmful to the environment because those foods have relatively high resource uses and greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions per calorie. Published in Environment Systems and Decisions, the study measured the changes in energy use, blue water footprint and GHG emissions associated with U.S. food consumption patterns.
    Bacon and Lettuce“Eating lettuce is over three times worse in greenhouse gas emissions than eating bacon,” said Paul Fischbeck, professor of social and decisions sciences and engineering and public policy. “Lots of common vegetables require more resources per calorie (that's energy) than you would think. Eggplant, celery and cucumbers look particularly bad when compared to pork or chicken.”However, eating the recommended “healthier” foods — a mix of fruits, vegetables, dairy and seafood — increased the environmental impact in all three categories: Energy use went up by 38 percent, water use by 10 percent and GHG emissions by 6 percent. “There’s a complex relationship between diet and the environment,” Tom said. “What is good for us health-wise isn’t always what’s best for the environment. That’s important for public officials to know and for them to be cognizant of these tradeoffs as they develop or continue to develop dietary guidelines in the future.”Indeed there is a complex relationship between diet and environment-

    Vegetarians tend to consume soy- Abundantly. Contributing to an increase in herbicide use.
    “However, the study did find evidence that both maize and soybean farmers increased herbicide use during the last five years of the study, indicating that weed resistance is a growing problem for both groups”Contributing to an increase in herbicides, which kills everything-Increased herbicide use for gmo crops isn't an inducement for halos

    Affecting human fertility negatively- Link
    Seeking healthful foods, Americans are eating more soy than ever. But recent research with animals shows that consuming large amounts could have harmful effects on female fertility and reproductive development.

    Soy is ubiquitous in the American diet. Over a quarter of all infant formula sold is made with it, and the U.S. Food and Drug Administration promotes it in foods to reduce the risk of heart disease. School lunch programs across the country are even adding soy to hamburger patties.

    Many of soy’s health benefits have been linked to isoflavones—plant compounds that mimic estrogen. But animal studies suggest that eating large amounts of those estrogenic compounds might reduce fertility in women, trigger premature puberty and disrupt development of fetuses and children.

     Eating plants also kills the plant. In other words vegetarians are consuming death- plant death- and insect death. Pollinator death. Etc. That's one of the memes regarding meat consumption- "You're eating death"There is no consumption for survival, by any living creature, that does not depend completely on other life being lost. Period.
     
    -Birds of prey kill all kinds of animals. From small animals to other birds.
    -Cats eat mice.
    -Possums eat grubs.
    -Birds eat worms and insects.
    -Coyotes kill deer
    -Fox hunt ducks
    -Aardvarks eat ants.
    -Fish eat other fish
    Etc., etc.,


    Cows eat greens  (not gmo corn in factory farms)- we consume cows

    Reality is just so.... real. Sigh.
    Then there is the “big lie” regarding meat  (Real actual facts vs politicized spin science )
    Science stands in the way of meat tax agenda

    "High on their list of policy goals is a tax on meat, akin to tobacco and alcohol “sin taxes.”

    The theory is that meat, especially beef, is disproportionately responsible for greenhouse gas emissions and if we were able to change how people eat, primarily in wealthier countries like the U.S., we could take a significant bite out of climate change.

    A blueprint to achieve the meat tax is laid out in a November report by Chatham House, a London-based think tank. The group concedes that the issue is “complex.”

    Yet it advises governments to push for the taxes through publicly funded public relations campaigns which make the matter appear clear-cut, because “public respond best to simple messages.”This is an unusual recommendation for a group known for promoting open debate.Chatham House 'suggests' that governments fund PR campaigns employing simple messages to convince us all that meat should be taxed. Think tank pushing the elite agendas. People like Steve Paiken (managerial class) deliver. And of course they can brainwash children beginning in school... Teachers being the managerial classes also
    For radical animal rights groups and puritanical health crusaders, promoting vegetarian diets is, well, a red-meat issue. But the environmental case against meat is a stretch, requiring fuzzy math and politicized science.

    Those backing the taxes cite the United Nation’s Global Livestock Environmental Assessment Model, or GLEAM, which concluded in 2013 that livestock, including beef, milk production, and poultry, accounts for 15 percent of global greenhouse gas emissions.

    However, the model was not developed as fodder for anti-meat campaigns, but rather as a tool to guide the livestock industry toward more sustainable production.

    Using GLEAM as scientific evidence to argue against meat consumption is as far-fetched as it would be to fight organic agriculture because it relies on manure, a source of methane and nitrous oxide, both greenhouse gases. No wonder advocates want to keep their messaging simple.
    The idea that reducing meat consumption would make both humans and the earth healthier is challenged by consideration of the environmental impact of alternatives.For instance, almonds, a darling of health food advocates, are highly water-intensive. The U.N. hasn’t yet calculated the water-footprint of your almond milk-based smoothie.The lesson: if you want to advocate for meat taxes, follow the advice of the experts and keep it simple (for the simple minded) Otherwise, the science will get in the way of your agenda.Yup a meat tax- Like a sin tax!
    The impetus for this post which has been on the back burner for quite a while appeared just the other day

    LIE: Could a tax on meat help us save the planet?- NO! NO, no, no, no.Nadda
    More Lies

    Can we please stop believing lies presented to us as 'simple messages' appealing to our emotions?
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    Italian Prosecutor: NGO's Collaborate With Human Traffickers

    pennyforyourthoughts2 - Tue, 04/25/2017 - 08:46
    This is obvious. Human traffickers, organ traffickers and NGO's move in the same circles.
    War is big business. And business is good for the vile subhumans that profit from this heinous crime against humanity What better way to commit evil then in plain sight. Evil lurks, under cover of goodness.

    Here's an Italian prosecutor stating that fact:

    The Italian prosecutor in Sicily yesterday accused migrant rescue organisations of colluding with human traffickers in Libya.
    “We have evidence that there are direct contacts between certain NGOs and people traffickers in Libya,” Carmelo Zuccaro told Italian newspaper La Stampa. We do not yet know if and how we could use this evidence in court, but we are quite certain about what we say; telephone calls from Libya to certain NGOs, lamps that illuminate the route to these organisations’ boats, boats that suddenly turn off their transponders, are ascertained facts.
    Personally speaking I have ZERO doubt that the human traffickers and No Good Organizations work hand in glove. Hand in Glove.

    Migrants are seen at the Salerno harbour in Italy on October 5, 2016Zuccaro leads a group of prosecutors investigating the trafficking and exploitation of migrants. The Public Prosecutor’s Office in Catania, Sicily, has opened an investigation to determine who funds the organisations and for what purpose.

    The European Border and Coast Guard Agency said in a report published in December that there is “possible collaboration between human traffickers and NGOs migrants rescue boats that roam the Mediterranean”. Some of the organisations involved in migrant rescues include Doctors Without Borders, Medecins Sans Frontieres, SOS Mediterranee and Save the Children.
    Save the Children receives funding from Bill and Melinda Gates

    Big Pharma figures large in their corporate sponsorship  

    36 percent of their revenue comes from the US government

    Doctors without Borders = Rockefeller Medicine  


    Flashback: Tim Kelly (OIT) Interviews George Webb: DynCorp Harvest: Killing is Good Business
     George Webb returns to Our Interesting Times to discuss his open-source investigation DynCorp Harvest: Killing is Good Business. We discuss evidence of a global human trafficking and organ harvesting network hiding under the cover of various humanitarian, military and national security operationsMore then a year ago

    Flashback: April 12/2016- Update: Bloomberg Reports Italy's Refugee Arrivals Double in Just a Month

     As stated: The movement of these ethnically cleansed persons has been a NATO op from inception to, the not as of yet, completion

     Flashback: March 30/2016 -NATO Op: Destroy Culture, People & History via Chaos- Moved to Italy

    As stated:  Hopefully readers here read the news regarding the closure of the established people moving aka ethnic cleanser operators/operations in Greece?  I'm certain readers here would not believe that news indicated the end of the ethnic cleansing of the Middle East and Africa resulting in the weakening destruction of Europe? 

    Of course Doctor's without Borders is mentioned in both posts. 
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    About That, Alleged, Global Rise in Antisemetism?

    pennyforyourthoughts2 - Mon, 04/24/2017 - 09:21
    Never let a good crisis go to waste.  Whining is so advantageous to those pushing agendas and benefiting from an externally induced guilt. Not just a reference to those advancing the antisemetic mind virus.

    *Think about the fact that the actions of just one individual could generate,  an abundant, though completely skewed idea/concept, via the media,  that a certain type of activity was  dangerously increasing. Extrapolate that across all commonly promoted media 'ideas'. Then think about what might be the reality of the concept of any commonly promoted 'idea' vs the presentation of that same commonly promoted idea?

     Interesting articles regarding the Israeli jew arrested for all these "threats" causing global consternation and convenient, contrived, but advantageous, spin for that eternal victim meme.
    Oh and the alleged brain tumour? I don't know if it's true. So, I'm disregarding it. The writer of the author doubts the validity of the claim also. It reads like just another ploy for pity.
     It's very obvious this young man acted very maliciously, intentionally, as you will read.

    Link
     An Israeli teenager arrested for allegedly making bomb threats against Jewish centres in the US is facing charges relating to an online crime spree including thousands of hoax calls worldwide, according to an indictment filed to a Tel Aviv court. The 18-year-old, identified by US prosecutors as Michael Kadar, is facing accusations of making threats for financial gain, money laundering and the attempted blackmail of the US senator Ernesto Lopez. Details of the charges being faced by the teenager, a joint US-Israeli citizen who lives in the coastal city of Ashkelon, came as it emerged that Israel would probably oppose his extradition to the US, where many of the crimes were allegedly committed.The Israeli indictment includes allegations that he made threats to about 2,000 institutions worldwide using sophisticated technology to mask his voice and IP address."he made threats to about 2,000 institutions worldwide using sophisticated technology to mask his voice and IP address."

    Is there some reason this is not being characterized as terrorism? 
     
    Kadar, who has not been named in Israeli proceedings, was arrested last month in Ashkelon, after a joint investigation by Israeli and US authorities, including the FBI.
    The threats against targets including Israeli diplomatic offices, schools, shopping centres, law enforcement agencies, hospitals and airlines contributed to fears of rising antisemitism in the US.
    "contributed to fears of rising antisemitism in the US."
     
    Let that be a lesson to all those who assumed reality, based on media hype, spin and no facts.
    The indictment said that after Lopez, a Republican senator from Delaware, criticised the wave of threats, Kadar called him to demand payment in bitcoin or face incrimination on the internet. When Lopez did not respond, he ordered drugs online to send to the senator’s house. Kadar is separately accused of threatening to kidnap and kill the children of a former CIA and Pentagon official.Again, I ask: Is there some reason this is not being characterized as terrorism?
    In addition to the bomb threats to Jewish centres, the indictment said Kadar made a bomb threat against an El-Al flight to Israel that sparked fighter jets to be scrambled, and threatened a Canadian airport, which required passengers to disembark in emergency slides and left six people injured. He is also accused of threatening a Virgin flight that as a result dumped eight tons of fuel before landing, and of threatening a plane being used by the NBA’s Boston Celtics.
    Reports in the Israeli media have alleged Kadar took payments for some of the bomb threats from students who wanted exams postponed. He reportedly had almost $500,000 in his bitcoin account at the time of his arrest." $500,000 in his bitcoin account at the time of his arrest"
    The indictment said he posted set fees for calls to police stations, schools or airports.
    The Israeli indictment comes three days after the US Department of Justice brought 32 charges against Kadar, including conveying false information to police, cyberstalking, and making threatening calls to about 200 institutions. An indictment filed in a Florida court on Friday accused the teenager of making threatening calls – with his voice disguised to sound like a woman – describing in graphic detail how children would be killed in US Jewish centres. It linked Kadar to at least 245 threatening telephone calls between 4 January and 7 March 2017, many targeting Jewish community centres in the United States. The US attorney general, Jeff Sessions, described the calls as responsible for “threats of violence [that] instilled terror in Jewish and other communities across this country”. Israeli media have reported that the country’s justice ministry, which has been involved in talks with US justice officials, would probably not agree to his extradition because of the seriousness of the charges he is already facing in Israel. His lawyer, Shira Nir, has said she intends to argue that the teenager – who it is claimed has autism and a brain tumour – should not be regarded as legally competent. Judging by the actions undertaken by this man, he is not only competent, he is conniving, astute, intelligent and evil. In other words he is no victim!

    Link
    Despite efforts to mask the source of the calls, police investigators in New Zealand and Australia were able to identify the IP address of the computer used as being inside Israel. According to some reports, the equipment used included a large antenna and unusually sophisticated computer hardware. The caller also used technology to alter the sound of their voice.
    And we're to believe he's incompetent? No way! He knew exactly what he was doing, how to do it and what tools were needed to carry out his crime spree.  He knew how to use his tools. He had amassed 500,000 dollars- He is not incompetent! 
    I'm lost on how this is not being considered terrorism.  This individual threatened to kill many people- what the hell?  Wondering exactly how long he was engaged in this behaviour?
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    The 5 Eyes (6 eyes?) Meet in New Zealand- Presently

    pennyforyourthoughts2 - Sat, 04/22/2017 - 19:16
    Interesting comment included asking if the 5 eyes, should really be knows as  the 6 eyes?
    Included after the main article   

    Readers here have surely noticed I use the "5 eyes media" label to describe what is almost entirely all of the main stream and alternative media
    I caught exactly, ZERO news stories originating from here in Canada on this meeting. Yet, Canada is assuredly fully represented at the meeting in New Zealand.
    The real reason 5 Eyes are meeting in Queenstown "The surprise by the corporate mainstream media that the 5 Eye Nazgul are meeting in Queenstown is Orwellian double think.
    The truth is that the 5 Eyes spooks meet in NZ quite regularly and the surprise by the corporate media is more due to the lack of institutional knowledge now inside these news organisations. This was March 2011…Key meets high-ranking US intelligence chief
    Prime Minister John Key has had a meeting with a man he describes as the most senior American intelligence official to visit New Zealand.…this was September 2012…
    US Defense Secretary’s visit ‘shows great progress’ – Coleman
    New Zealand is hosting the United States Secretary of Defense today in a symbolic visit that could signal a move towards restoring defence ties between the two countries.…and this was November 2012…
    Mystery spook’s identity confirmed
    The identity of a United States spy who mysteriously landed in Wellington last year can be revealed as National Security Agency director General Keith Alexander.…this ignorant surprise at 5 Eye spooks visiting NZ hides the horrible reason as to why the 5 Eye Nazgul visit so regularly here, and that is because we are so apathetic that we don’t bother protesting these visits.
    If these spooks were trying to meet in Canada, Australia, Britain or the US, it would provoke massive civil rights protests, but because they are held in the Shire, the sleepy hobbits of muddle Nu Zilind barely even register what the hell is going on.
    It is time we pulled out of the 5 Eyes and became an independent nation again, whatever we gain from being a member is nothing compared to the control we are losing. The GCSB and SIS have both had increases in budget by 250% and 174% under National and Key reorganised the following intelligence apparatus to answer only to a small clique of security goons that Prime Minister Bill English now controls; the Organised Crime Intelligence Unit, Financial Intelligence Unit, Strategic Intelligence Unit, National Bureau of Criminal Intelligence, Identity Intelligence Unit, Threat Assessment Unit, Police Terrorism Investigation and Intelligence Group and the Special Investigation Group.
    That’s a lot of security apparatus doing what?
    The Government can barely keep our privacy safe as it is with their new demands of unconstricted access held by multiple agencies…‘Extremely disappointing’: Minister still concerned after privacy near-miss
    MSD privacy breach report raises more questions than answers: Anne TolleyOur digital individualism has trapped us all culturally by the mass surveillance of the Deep State and its power over our Democracy is almost immeasurable.
    Otaga Daily Times
     It was understood about 15 agencies that carry out intelligence for Five Eyes - the spying partnership of the United States, Australia, Canada, the United Kingdom and New Zealand - would be attending the conference, which was believed to run for about a week and include golf, it was reported.
    The Otago Daily Times understands police officers from Dunedin, Christchurch and further afield are in Arrowtown to provide security during the event. A group of police officers who ``looked like a rugby team'' reportedly arrived at Millbrook, near Arrowtown, late yesterday afternoon in unmarked police cars and a dog squad vehicle. One road, beside the main reception area, was blocked off by road cones.
    Black vans could later be seen in the distance at the golf resort. The main entrance to Millbrook was open and no security was present. Relevant related comment
     Lois Griffiths says:
    April 21, 2017 at 9:10 pm The ‘5 eyes’ are really ‘6 eyes’..as exposed by Jeff Halper, author of War Against the People , p104 “The IDF’s Urim facility in the northern Negev is part of the network of Echelon satellite interception ground stations initially set up in the early 1960s by the US, Britain, Canada, Australia and New Zealand (“Five Eyes”)…”
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    ISIS Capital is now Deir Ez-Zor- Israel Strikes SAA in Queneitra

    pennyforyourthoughts2 - Fri, 04/21/2017 - 18:16
    I guess the PKK Kurds and their US backers have no need to take Raqqa, then? Right?
    I think the need is gone. But you can bet the annex/appropriation of Syrian territory will continue unabated.

    April 01/2017:US Access to 5, yes 5, Air Installations In Stolen Northern SyriaKobani and Tabqa plus three equals 5 accessible bases- Equals permanent occupation by the US of annexed, by the Kurds, northern Syria.Assad states in an interview with Sputnik (hubby read this to me this morning)

    He said US attacks on Daesh in Mosul mean "they are against ISIS [Daesh], but at the same time, they are supporting ISIS and they allow them to cross the border from Iraq into Syria."

    "It means they helped ISIS to come to Deir Ez-Zor and to undermine the Syrian Army who are defending Deir ez-Zor. They wanted Deir ez-Zor to fall into the hands of ISIS," Assad said.
    Of course, just a few hours ago Fox News reports:
    In the wake of increased airstrikes and pressure applied from three directions by U.S.-backed Syrian forces, the Islamic State has essentially moved its so-called capital in Syria, U.S. defense officials told Fox News.

    ISIS is now centered in Deir ez-Zur, roughly 90 miles southeast of Raqqa, the officials said.

    U.S. military drones have watched hundreds of ISIS “bureaucrats,” or administrators, leaving Raqqa in the past two months for the city of al-Mayadin located further down the Euphrates River
    Leaving Raqqa? How are they getting past the fierce fightin’ Kurds and their American special ops pals- Never mind!  Assad said ISIS came to Deir ez Zor from Iraq The question is still how did they leave Iraq and enter Syria? Obviously the US allowed them to pass, most probably aided them in their passage because as they 'watched' them pass they probably also ensured their safe passage!!


    Israeli War Plane Strike Syrian Army in Quneitra. Golan & SANA

    Quneitra, SANA – A military source announced on Friday evening that the Israeli enemy’s warplanes fired two missiles at 18:45 from within occupied territory at a military position in the surroundings of Khan Arnabeh in Quneitra countryside, causing material damage.

    The source said that this aggression came after an attempt by terrorists to infiltrate military positions in Quneitra countryside was foiled and the terrorists suffered heavy losses, which proves that Israel provides direct support to terrorist organizations.

    The source affirmed that such desperate attempts will not dissuade the Army and Armed Forces from continuing to crush the terrorist groups that act as Israel’s proxy in the area.Related: Report Sees ISIS Benefiting From Assad Downfall


    From earlier:
    Hollywood's Military Spook Intelligence Apparatus & It's Insidious Influence
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    Hollywood's Military Spook Intelligence Apparatus & It's Insidious Influence

    pennyforyourthoughts2 - Fri, 04/21/2017 - 15:14
    Insidious: waiting to entrap: harmful but enticing
      - developing so gradually as to be well established before becoming apparent

    Background for two upcoming posts. Though I expect most who visit here are aware of Hollywood's influence in everythingAre your beliefs and ideas really your own? I comfortable stating, mine are.  How about you?

    The video below is very introductory but it gets the idea across




     Hollywood. Where the unreal is made real. An industry that exists to make money while shaping your real world beliefs. All aided by intelligence agencies of course. Telling you what to think,  what to believe, made possible when one fails to exercise critical thinking faculties.

    Let's start out with an article from the Atlantic

     Operation Tinseltown: How the CIA manipulates Hollywood
    The CIA has a long history of “spooking the news,” dating back to its earliest days when the legendary spymaster Allen Dulles and his top staff drank and dined regularly with the press elite of New York and Washington, and the agency boasted hundreds of U.S. and foreign journalists as paid and unpaid assets.The intelligence empire’s efforts to manufacture the truth and mold public opinion are more vast and varied than ever before. One of its foremost assets? Hollywood.The agency has established a very active spin machine in the heart of the entertainment capital, which works strenuously to make sure the cloak-and-dagger world is presented in heroic terms. Ever since its inception in 1947, the CIA has been covertly working with Hollywood. But it wasn’t until the mid-1990s that the agency formally hired an entertainment industry liaison and began openly courting favorable treatment in films and television. During the Clinton presidency, the CIA took its Hollywood strategy to a new level—trying to take more control of its own mythmaking. In 1996, the CIA hired one of its veteran clandestine officers, Chase Brandon, to work directly with Hollywood studios and production companies to upgrade its image. There are many books on the subject as well:

    The CIA in Hollywood: How the Agency Shapes Film and Television

    Operation Hollywood: How the Pentagon Shapes and Censors the Movies

    One I've recently read and very much enjoyed 

    Esoteric Hollywood:: Sex, Cults and Symbols in Film

    Which addresses the connections between the intelligence agencies and their celluloid assets

    Pearse Redmond has done an entire series on the subject

    The CIA and Hollywood The scale of influence , globally, the CIA & Pentagon have via Hollywood and other media, including social media, is vast. It's a very effective tool because most consumers merely take in without question that which is presented via these mediums.
    Think about that as you view any given  form of media. Theatrical- home video or television, social media, what ever?  What's the message.
    "The medium is the message"Marshall McLuhan
    Like this definition 
    "McLuhan also tells us that a "message" is, "the change of scale or pace or pattern" that a new invention or innovation, i.e. a medium introduces into human affairs. Thus the message of a newscast is not the news stories themselves, but a change in the public attitude towards a subject of the news or the creation of a climate of fear as a result of the news. A McLuhan message always tells us to look beyond the obvious and seek the non-obvious changes or effects that are enabled, enhanced, accelerated or extended by the new thing"
      From yesterday- Because SAA is the most effective fighting force against ISIS Report Sees ISIS Benefiting From Assad Downfall
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    Report Sees ISIS Benefiting From Assad Downfall

    pennyforyourthoughts2 - Thu, 04/20/2017 - 18:23
    And of course US/Israel would want nothing more then to benefit their ISIS proxies.. In order to also benefit their ( US/Israel/ISIS) mutual partner in crime, the PKK.

    Newsweek
    With many in the U.S. foreign policy community backing both the ouster of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad and the defeat of the Islamic State group (ISIS), a new report could raise some cause for concern. The report says Assad's military has been the most engaged faction against ISIS over the past year of Syria's conflict, making it an extremely risky target for a U.S. foreign policy that is intended to stop the jihadists' advances."The report says Assad's military has been the most engaged faction against ISIS over the past year of Syria's conflict" Well that's a statement of the obvious!
    The report published Wednesday by the London-based IHS Jane Terrorism and Insurgency Centre, one of the world's leading security analysis agencies, says 43 percent of ISIS's battles between April 1, 2016 and March 31, 2017 were fought against the Syrian military and its allies, which include Russia, Iran and pro-government militias. Meanwhile, the U.S.-backed Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF), a majority-Kurd coalition of Arabs and ethnic minorities, accounted for 17 percent of the action against ISIS.I'm going to requote two very crucial facts from the above paragraph!

     "The U.S.-backed Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF), a majority-Kurd coalition of Arabs and ethnic minorities, accounted for (ONLY)  17 percent of the action against ISIS"

    That's because ISIS conveniently melts away as has been stated here repeatedly.

    "43 percent of ISIS's battles between April 1, 2016 and March 31, 2017 were fought against the Syrian military and its allies, which include Russia, Iran and pro-government militias"

    So the US backed Kurds account for only 17 percent of the action waged against ISIS while SAA and allies have fought 43% of ISIS battles in the same period of time.


    Making the SAA and it's allies the best, most effective fighters on the ground against ISIS-  No matter how often the big lie has been repeated by the 5 eyes main stream & alternative media

    Patrick Henningsen- Guardian profile
    Patrick Henningsen is an author and founder of the 21st Century Wire news website, an Associate Editor of
    alternative news site Infowars.com and regular geopolitical analyst for Russia Today
     @ 21st century wire "only the Kurdish forces have a proven track record of fighting – and winning – against ISIS" 
    Quote from a PH oped- Of course, a lie. Interesting connections Mr H has also- Very pro Israel (Guardian and Alex Jones) which may explain the pro pkk/kurds in tandem with the denigration of SAA, in tandem with the demonization of Turkey that is a consistent theme at his site. Which should explain why I don't regularly link to or recommend that site. (making exceptions for specific interviews- Gilad Atzmon as an example)


    Keeping in mind you've never read the "Kurds most effective fighters against ISIS"  lie stated here!  No sirreeeee.... Because it was always the BIG LIE .  I've stated very plainly, on several occasions, if the fight was REALLY against ISIS OBVIOUSLY the US could have allied with SAA. Supported them in their real fight against ISIS! But the US didn't do that because their goal was not to truly fight ISIS.

    The actual goal  under the guise of "fighting ISIS" served multiple purposes

    1. Allow for destabilizing the region
    2. Destroying existing nations.
    3.  Ethnically cleanse the populace & create a massive weaponized refugee surge targeting Europe, extending to the US and Canada
    4.  Ethnic cleansing allowed for the clearing of existing multiple state territories for annexation by the PKK  Kurds  in order to create Kurdistan aka Israel 2.0
    5. This destabilization extends into North Africa as well 
    Kurds..............ISIS
    The fact of Syria being the main opponent of ISIS has always been obvious.
    The Kurds as an effective fighting force has never been obvious or true.



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    Turkey’s Opposition Parties Declared Unstamped Ballots Valid During Referendum

    pennyforyourthoughts2 - Wed, 04/19/2017 - 15:48
    Kaz, I fibbed! This was too good to pass up. Must stay away from reading news
    Sorry :(

    Turkey's main opposition parties are engaging in behaviour typically characterized as  You can't have your cake and eat it too"

    DS
    An official report signed by ballot box officials in Istanbul's Ümraniye district on April 16, 2017 shows that CHP and Peoples' Democratic Party (HDP) members, Hasan Çelik and Olcay Emir respectively, accepted that the ballots were not stamped but they were indeed authentic. CHP and HDP members, named above, at the polling station signed an official statement accepting that unstamped ballots were both acceptable and authentic
    The report indicates that 48 ballots in ballot-box numbered 3017 were unstamped.
    "We have unanimously agreed on the validity of the [unstamped] ballots as there is no uncertainty regarding the voters' will," the report read, indicating that although the ballots were not stamped, they were indeed valid and represented the decision of the voters.Let's talk about this.
    1. If CHP and HDP party members were so very concerned about unstamped ballots why did they allow the ballots to be cast? 
    2. Did someone else require the accountability of these two party members as a condition for this allowance to be made? Were observers from other parties present?
    3. What were the circumstances surrounding the request for these unstamped ballots to beused and cast?
    4. -Were CHP and HDP party members aware of who the voters were and what their vote may be?
    I was a scrutineer at a provincial election some years ago, as stated previously, in my more naive days. One of my siblings and I had volunteered to assist. It seems sensible to me that an observer or scrutineer indicated to CHP/HDP party members they had to sign off on allowing these unstamped ballots to be case.

    48 ballots in one ballot box? Could the CHP/HDP party have allowed this at others polls?
    Perhaps this is how it is they've come up with the as many as 2.5 million ballots claim?

     Apparently this is not the first time unstamped ballots have appeared in elections including previous appeals by CHP to have unstamped ballots accepted

    " The YSK on Wednesday rejected appeals by main opposition Republican People's Party (CHP), the Peoples' Democratic Party (HDP) and the Patriotic Party (Vatan Partisi) to cancel the April 16 referendum over the debate on unstamped ballots, and a look at previous election decisions shows that this was not the first time. The board had previously accepted unstamped ballots as valid, upon necessary inquiry and investigation confirming the authenticity of ballots. Opposition parties, including the CHP had even appealed to the board in previous elections to count unstamped ballots as valid" In the 2015 general elections, the CHP submitted an appeal to the provincial election board when the district election board in Istanbul's Maltepe district decided to consider unstamped ballots as invalid. The provincial election board ruled in favor of the CHP and declared the unstamped ballots as valid."
    Making all this carrying on about these so called "unstamped ballots" a red herring as well as the BIG LIE- It's a BIG red herring LIE!  Basically a fallacy of distraction


    Here's what we know based on all the news reports the last few days

    - Yvet garnered the majority support
    - Unstamped ballots were used in referendum and their use was okayed by opposition parties, allowing for 48 ballots, in one ballot box alone.
    -Unstamped ballots have been accepted in other elections- In fact the CHP has appealed for them to be considered as valid on previous occasions-

    The article continues on
    "YSK's precedents also show that the board has declared unstamped ballots valid after inquiries confirmed the authenticity of ballots. For instance, in the 1984 local elections, the County Election Council in the town of Akçaalan in Kütahya province declared all votes without stamps were invalid, but the Social Democracy Party submitted a petition to deem the ballots valid. Upon investigating the request, the YSK said that there was no doubt about the authenticity of the unstamped ballots and that it was the Ballot Box Committee's mistake, ruling that the unstamped ballots are indeed valid. In the 1994 local elections, ballot box committees in Ankara failed to stamp ballots and the County Election Council (CEC) declared that all votes cast with unstamped ballots were invalid, upon objection by the True Path Party. Two applicants then appealed the results to the YSK, which then announced that the aforementioned ballots were valid, in a decision saying that the purpose of Law No. 298 and Circular No. 138 is to prevent election fraud, but that the lack of stamps was the ballot box officials' fault and that an investigation has shown that the aforementioned ballots were indeed authentic. Also in 1994, a similar decision was made for the Salkım town in Nizip, Gaziantep. In the 2004 local elections, a total of 145 ballots unstamped by the ballot box committee were also declared invalid in southern Mersin province and the opposition Nationalist Movement Party (MHP) submitted a petition to annul election results. However, the YSK ruled that the aforementioned ballots were valid and ordered a recount for the purpose of declaring the winner.
    From earlier today
    About those Trump Claims that USS Carl Vinson was "steaming" to North Korea.. And last night: "Barkey-ing" the Turkish Referendum
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    About those Trump Claims that USS Carl Vinson was "steaming" to North Korea..

    pennyforyourthoughts2 - Wed, 04/19/2017 - 08:11
    Steaming? The USS Carl Vinson must have been a 'steamin' angry ship, ready to fight? Besides being nuclear powered (steam generation) I guess we were supposed to believe steamin' angry because that's certainly how the media reports prior to the Easter week end were spinning. As if confrontation was imminent!

    Here's the post from April 14/17: US prepares preemptive strike against North Korea before another nuclear test. Link embedded within.

    My opening thoughts -This is alarming if even remotely true. Though it feels like fear mongering. Thoughts?

    Hattip to Davoh for letting me know, indeed, the news from last week was simply fear mongering. Davoh left me two links which will be posted below Davoh's edited comments

    DavohApril 18, 2017 at 7:21 PMSo, what's true?......DavohApril 18, 2017 at 7:34 PMYou posted this on Friday 14th. Two articles in Australian media today suggest otherwise...... All that drama and fear over the week end regarding imminent danger was bullshit! Distractionary bullshit to up the fear over the holiday.
    Trump is fake news!  Always has been.
    USS Carl Vinson wasn't heading to North Korea as Trump administration originally suggested
    A "very powerful" US Navy armada which the Trump administration said was heading towards the Korean Peninsula to deter the North from carrying out a nuclear test was actually carrying out exercises with the Royal Australian Navy thousands of kilometres away in the Indian Ocean, the ABC has confirmed

    As tensions soared on the Korean Peninsula earlier this month, the US Government said the USS Carl Vinson aircraft carrier was being dispatched to the Sea of Japan to send a "powerful signal" to North Korea.

    But instead of heading straight towards the Korean peninsula the US strike group instead conducted planned exercises with HMAS Ballarat in the Indian Ocean.

    Senior Australian defence sources say the US carrier group is now gradually making its way closer to North Korea.Photo: The USS Carl Vinson sails through the Sunda Strait, more than 5,000km away from North Korea (Supplied: United States Navy)
    According to images released by the US Navy on Saturday the carrier group passed north through the Sunda Strait, the passage between the Indonesian islands of Sumatra and Java, which is about 5,600 kilometres from Korea.
     White House all at sea over claims flotilla was heading to North Korea
     A US aircraft carrier-led flotilla that the White House said last week was “steaming” towards North Korea to increase pressure on Pyongyang was actually thousands of miles away heading in the opposite direction.On 11 April, the defence secretary, Jim Mattis, said the Vinson was “on her way up” to the peninsula. White House spokesman Sean Spicer said “when you a see a carrier group steaming into an area like that [it] is clearly a huge deterrence”.The following day,(April 12) Donald Trump said: “We are sending an armada. Very powerful.”
     I put up my post on April 14/17
    The US ratcheted up its rhetoric ahead of North Korea’s military parade and failed missile launch over the weekend.Yes it did. Though it's obvious the defence secretary would have known exactly where the carrier was! He surely had easy access to that information!

     In Washington, officials are facing questions and criticism over the location and original course of the Vinson flotilla, after it was photographed 3,500 miles away from North Korea, sailing south in the Sunda Strait at a time officials said it was sailing north.  Psychological operation via the media...
    Can I be any more digusted?

     Less then 24 hours ago
    "Barkey-ing" the Turkish Referendum
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    "Barkey-ing" the Turkish Referendum

    pennyforyourthoughts2 - Tue, 04/18/2017 - 18:05
    I've been mulling over the whole ruckus regarding the Turkish referendum. And there is a rukus happening in the so called "alternative" AND 5 eyes media. Including but not limited to a call for violent overthrow?  Overthrow call made by MoA reported  by Willy Loman
    Seriously? How very atlantacist.

    That oped from Henri Barkey has been on my mind, particularly that last paragraph.
    Henri Barkey: " Turks have a tendency to buck the system when they feel that the rules of the game are unfair or that they are being bullied by their leaders. No one should assume that the vote will turn out the way Erdogan has planned"It dawned on me today that Henri Barkey provided the basic narrative for the entire 5 eyes alt and main stream media presentation regarding the referendum- There it was staring me right in the face! In two short and sweet sentences, no less!
    We are supposed to believe that the Turks actually did "buck the system" but that evil Erdogan 'stole' the referendum from those claimed system bucking/ Barkey-ing Turks.Stereotypical evil sultan
    Sadly and pathetically most people don't "buck the system"- The alternative media doesn't even buck the system- They march in lock step with the 5 eyes media.

    So, is it realistic to think the Turks would actually "buck the system" as Barkey claims? Or is Barkey simply giving us the mind virus? 

    I'm going with mind virus.

     Reuters
    “Up to 2.5 million votes could have been  manipulated in Sunday's Turkish referendum which ended in a tight 'Yes' vote for greater presidential powers, Alev Korun, an Austrian member of the Council of Europe observer mission, told ORF radio on Tuesday”Lie Big, Repeat often
     2.5 million votes could have been manipulated? That's a big claim.  That should be more accurately described as the Big LIE. Because it's big allegation of fraud involving multi millions of ballots and it's totally unsubstantiated. That's not stopping the 5 eyes alt and main stream media from running with it!  *Do these ballots actually exist? *How do those that claim they exist, know they do? *If they do exist at all how were they manipulated? *How do those that make this claim know that they actually existed and were manipulated in a nefarious fashion?   I don't know. Do you?
    I talked at length about the discrepancy in polling numbers that were covered in a post prior to the referendum taking place: Turkey's Referendum: "To Close To Call" ??? What we are looking at here, and I mean really looking at is a roughly 60 yes/40 split nearly consistently-It's been reported that the expected Yes support for the changes was going to be 55 percent
    In a television interview on Friday Erdogan had predicted a far clearer victory saying polls showed a 55-60 percent share of the vote.This was the point I was making about internal polling- Without a doubt internal polling was conducted all along. 
    In conclusion I'm going to reiterate some statements made previously by me, here.Considering the internal polling prior to the referendum...Which did show the yes side ahead
     And my final thought goes back to what I said about the 'yes' side polling well in advance of undertaking this referendum to be certain of a comfortable win- That most assuredly did not occurI get the impression Erdogan wouldn't have taken such a risk- He is shrewd. He wouldn't have misjudged- I should add that NO political leader or party anywhere would take that type of risk in a referendum- perception being everythingPerception being everything- it's more sensible to me that the no side was manipulated just enough to create the perception of division and of the changes being unsupported- The media spin bears this out
    Janes

    The narrowness of Recep Tayyip Erdogan's victory and opposition complaints about election fraud are highly unlikely to lead to a vote recount, but risk undermining the international legitimacy of his executive presidency. And that was the desired outcome- job well done
    The no side complained vociferously about conditions prior to the referendum and yet they had an amazing, unexpected, never showing in the polling result- So were their complaints bogus? Or did these claimed manipulated ballots favour the no vote? 
    I don't know for certain. But, I certainly wonder.
    Btw: the NO side wants an annulment-  A very good way to hide any intimate, fraudulent involvement  with 2.5 million manipulated ballots.....

    I'm just sayin'...
    Turkey's main secularist opposition CHP will present its appeal for the annulment of Sunday's referendum
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    Delegitimizing Turkey’s Referendum- Would You Expect Anything Less?

    pennyforyourthoughts2 - Mon, 04/17/2017 - 12:15
    I would not have. Nor am I surprised by today's 5 eyes news reports.
    Henri Barkey: " Turks have a tendency to buck the system when they feel that the rules of the game are unfair or that they are being bullied by their leaders. No one should assume that the vote will turn out the way Erdogan has planned"Henri Barkey is telling us the masses will buck the system- I disagree with that statement- A disappointing reality I've long come to terms with is the majority will go along- They don't think. They merely accept- So the initial part of his statement can be dismissed. It's simply paying lip service- It's an empty platitude.

    The more interesting part of his statement is "No one should assume that the vote will turn out the way Erdogan has planned"

    I was making the point yesterday that prior to undertaking this referendum there would have been polling and lots of it- In my more naive days I worked on election campaigns- I get the idea of internal polling. Knowing as I do how this game works, it was interesting to me that Henri Barkey said "no one should assume that the vote will turn out---- as planned"
    Henri Barkey was correct- the referendum didn't have the results that were likely documented via polls for months in advance. That however doesn't mean any bucking of the system occurred.

    Yesterday I watched Turkey’s referendum unfold as it happened. As initial results came in the Yes side was way ahead. And I do mean way ahead. Along that 60/40 polling I had previously mentioned - Then something changed. The no side began to really pick up, in a rather unexpected, to me, way. Let me mention, there was never a time that the no side was in the lead, from my monitoring the two sites mentioned yesterday. Checking repeatedly over about 4 hours time.Yenisafak had an interactive map that was updating regularly. jamesinturkey was live blogging and every time a news post was made there was a ding to notify you of the latest news.

    I'm pleased to see the Kremlin spokesperson is suggesting respecting Turkey's referendum result
    "We believe that everyone should respect the will of the Turkish people," Peskov told reporters, according to Russian news agency TASS. He said referendum was internal matter of Turkey. Of course the 5 eyes media, alt and msm, is hell bent on delegitimizing the referendum- There's even an "activist" video! Of course. There's always an activist video.

    The first hint of impending 5 eyes media trouble came via this speculative report
    11:58  6.57pm Block results service? by MikeOn CNN Turk, journalist Murat Yetkin says there is speculation that the Supreme Election Commission (YSK) has blocked its results service to some political parties.Some time later there were claims that ballots were counted which weren’t “official”
    Belfast Telegraph
    Claim: “The High Electoral Board in Turkey made a late decision on the night of the referendum to count ballots that had not been stamped by officials” Response to that accusation “head of that Board, Sadi Guven, defended the process, saying all the ballot papers that were counted were not fake or cast fraudulently” Sadi Guven is saying all ballot papers counted were not fake or cast fraudulently-

    Considering the response should we accept that the claim is valid or take it as just perception management?
    Claim:“Bulent Tezcan, deputy chairman of Turkey's main opposition Republican People's Party, claimed the decision was made after it appeared the "no" votes were ahead of the "yes" votes, and that initial counting of the ballots happened in secret”An unsupported but absolutely expected opposition comment. However there is no evidence to support this claim-
    1-What ballots were counted in secret? He doesn't say. 
    2-Where did this take place? He doesn't say. 
    A recount would be necessary to even begin to validate such claims-
    He has offered no proof to support his statement unless he is relying on the "activist" video posted to social media...  By the way, Isn't that convenient?  

    These types of proofs should always be taken with a grain of salt-  We have activist videos galore regarding ‘peaceful revolutions’ ‘chemical weapons use’ and so called "rescues" via white helmets. To be blunt, "they don't mean shit"

    These "activist videos" are created for the usage of 5 eyes media in order to promote certain perceptions for the advancement of specific agendas. Via the Daily Mail
    I've written abundantly regarding the Turkish referendum- if you are remotely unfamiliar with previous posts find them below:


    1. Turkey's Referendum As Results Come In
    2. Turkey's Referendum: "To Close To Call" ???
    3. Turkey's Referendum: Is The Sky Really Falling?
    4. Giant "Evet" Referendum Rally In Turkey
    5. West Unhinged Over Turkish Referendum
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